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part 2 of a 2 part podcast

Paul continues talking about gardening gardeners with Samantha

Paul comes back to the woman from Portland who he mentioned earlier and thinks maybe she would benefit from attending boot camp.

He also comments about changes he's made to how boot camp runs, based on his observations in Portland:  boots' time is divided between boot time and personal time.  Previously, harvesting food and storing it for the future was boot time, but feeding just yourself was personal time.  The change he's made is that preparing any meal primarily from the garden is now on boot time, and that makes people more keen to do that, so that more gardening activity is happening.

Samantha says Paul's program is wonderfully organized and every time she goes home she makes changes to how she runs her homestead based on it.

Samantha wonders how Paul sees his operation vs WWOOF.  Paul says he's seen many people who were part of WWOOF but now aren't, as overall it created more hassle and didn't get any more done.  He relates that Helen Atthowe and Joseph Lofthouse both reckon that about 1 in 20 people who offer to help actually allows them to get more done.  Paul wants the other 95% to attend boot camp, he feels that they could become good gardeners.  In boot camp, expectations for the first week are super low.  The main difference is WWOOF is largely farmers not gardeners.

Paul is working up a model for gardening gardeners and intends to write a book about it.  He relates another couple of tales: A farmer with a lot of fruit trees, and wasn't able to use it all, or give it away.  Paul feels he was bummed about that - but reckons that this would be an ideal location for gardening gardeners.  He also talks about Samantha's neighbor who has an amazing garden but, like the other guy, doesn't managed to use all the food he produces, and again, he could be gardening gardeners.  

Finally Paul reminds us that you can grow sunchokes, walking onions and kale, which can be harvested most of the year and this takes away some of the sadness at missing half the fruit harvest.

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I for one am looking forward to the gardening gardeners book.
 
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Before i can write the book, i need to have at least one success story!
 
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Hey Paul am I right thinking that to make your gardening gardeners or bootcamp plans work it starts with the Paul or an Otis being crazily generous?
It is a goal of mine to do something very similar to your "boot camp"
I feel that I need to provide food and accomodations before I can really invite Boots. I think you said most Otis' have a spare house on their property. I don't but I have aspirations of wofatis and cordwood cabins.
So would you say plentiful sunchokes, walking onions and clean water. Plus accomodations is the minimum requirements to invite Boots?
 
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I'm sorry your Portland visit led to some sad topics.  But I could tell you were glad to come and see us all over here at your various events.
 
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Un Chad wrote:Hey Paul am I right thinking that to make your gardening gardeners or bootcamp plans work it starts with the Paul or an Otis being crazily generous?
It is a goal of mine to do something very similar to your "boot camp"
I feel that I need to provide food and accomodations before I can really invite Boots. I think you said most Otis' have a spare house on their property. I don't but I have aspirations of wofatis and cordwood cabins.
So would you say plentiful sunchokes, walking onions and clean water. Plus accomodations is the minimum requirements to invite Boots?



I feel like I have about eight hours of stuff to say here.  

I think that when offering a gardening gardeners program, a person would provide land, staple foods, humble bunks and a lot of information about their own values.  
 
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Riona Abhainn wrote:I'm sorry your Portland visit led to some sad topics.  But I could tell you were glad to come and see us all over here at your various events.



More like "important observations".  Stuff I hadn't really noticed before.  Not just the need for community, but the need for a flavor of community.  

My observation is that it is easy to bring together people that love gardening or love permaculture.  But they end up practicing neither - because of reasons.  So there needs to be something more ...
 
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I feel like I have about eight hours of stuff to say here.  

I think that when offering a gardening gardeners program, a person would provide land, staple foods, humble bunks and a lot of information about their own values.  

Thank you. That makes sense and I am working towards it.
 
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