Fred Frank V Bur

I know I have less to offer not being a family. Community is still important and I would gladly be with those who are compatible people living off-grid willingly and would work at growing all the things that would be needed for food, and any useful materials and medicinal herbs. This is what I feel strongly needs to be done, that I will do, with any there being involved together.

Mariya Bee wrote:Thank you Lisa, and Fred feel free to share more about yourself! Age, location, goals, family, beliefs. I love learning more about people who are interested in my project.

I am now an older man, without so much resources that I would start something with acquiring land, or be leaving to some far place which any other country would be. I would not want to be getting real id for doing this, either. Having been Christian a long time I see there is design from God and civilization is not according to that, with the stewardship there is supposed to be in the world. With what was very good, and that can still be done, we could be living on land, where there is enough water and good soil, and in any of the latitudes where there is enough sunshine, growing all that we can that would be right for what we need, for food, medicinal herbs, and useful materials, without more impact on environments than this. This remains yet a sort of goal if there is yet anyway to come to this, that I then will, with people to be joined for that who are right for this, being compatible. I am without any family that would be involved. I am in California, and more interested in areas near this state, though I have tried with places further from it before.

Mariya Bee wrote:I am looking for people who are interested in living completely without the Internet and phones, free from drugs, alcohol and smoking too! This is for people who want to return to the most enjoyable and suitable way of life for Humans, reconnect with nature and each other, get out of mind-based living and get into heart-based living. Instruments for live music encouraged. I am open to doing this outside of the U.S but I need more people.

I am very open to join with others for this simple way such as people had without civilization, growing things for there is needed, for food to eat and any needed things. But it would be a very big thing for change, I might not have means to leave this country for it.

I am kind of interested, though I am in the US, I would like knowing if this is northern Mexico, especially if it is on Baja California, or not. I am in California and would look into this carefully if I know it would not be very much further from the border. And, I would build a simple home with more interest in growing what I can on the land available there.

Devin Lavign wrote:

Christopher Weeks wrote:

reminds me of a joke I heard 25 years ago:

In Los Angeles, when a stranger says "Hey, how's it going?" it means 'fuck you!'
In New York, when a stranger says "fuck you!" it means 'hey, how's it going?'

yep pretty much

You might imagine my surprise, even at my age, learning after a questionable response to me, that "Bless you" is a negative thing to use, when I looked it up. It is not what I expect, from being among others in church.

Kim Wills wrote:
JOHN - Vegan SPAM?!?!? Yowzers, what a thing for a company to even think of creating! I'm mostly vegetarian (not vegan), and I've been in a few vegan groups hoping for healthy recipes & such. Well. Imagine my surprise when the people in those groups happily exclaim, "I was today-years-old when I learned Oreos are vegan! Hooray!". Well, apparently there's a market for vegan SPAM. Hmm, who woulda thought?

I am long time vegan, and for most of that time I eat the very healthy way. Bacon, sausages and such things are not healthy but for protein, which can be had in much healthier ways. I could spend time giving my simple ways of having tasty healthy meals I make, but I will refer you to the site https://www.forksoverknives.com for good recipes.

I would be where I can grow all that I can for having everything for the meals and food that would be desirable, along with medicinal herbs and useful materials. There can be good independence from cities and transportation using fuel this way.

I wanted a place that would be something like this where I could just grow everything I can for any needed food and items right there for subsistence, with any seeking these ways God meant for us to start with there involved in this with me, with fellowship possible there with this. I would want something for it closer to where I am as traveling somewhere is so great and investment to me and I really can't do it much, but nothing I find that interests me in such ways are really closer to where I am.

It can be in my range and I want to know what comes of this. It will interest me enough if there is possibility of growing plenty of things for food and needed.things.

Christy Garner wrote:Hi Kydio.  I just tried the link again and it worked just fine.  You can also access it on our site at:  www.plantonce.com.  Wishing you a wonderful garden.

Hi Christy. I want to ask something, are you the Christy who sent a couple of messages to me by my email? That Christy responded to my question where she had seen me communicate, with that about permaculture, and she did not seem to remember which forum, it was not clearly said it was this one. I have communicated in other places for that but this is the only permaculture forum I've used to speak about it. So if it was you I might continue the communication there, it was not the same last name being used. I would want to know where it was that she did know me from posting.

Anyway I am vegan too, and I will be interested in this site you link to, so thanks for that.

C Oakes wrote:Sorry for the delay of response. In the time since my last post I rescued two dogs and built a small greenhouse. Things are going well otherwise, I am still looking for help developing the homestead and building a community.

Fred Frank V Bur wrote:There is such approach of using vehicles to have mobility to migrate for making camp in different places, as a "community", but this is not sustainability I see as what needs to be found. It would heavily depend on fuel that is what civilization now runs on with demand for the resource that is used for having the fuel. It will diminish as environments are being ruined with acquiring and using the fuel. I seek what will be sustainable with more primitive ways, growing all the things possible on land good for it and separate from places of civilization, and making what desirable things can be made there to be independent and sustainable without the harm to environments that there is with modern living and its demands taking more from the world.

I share your concern about using gasoline. I think if one were to drive somewhere with the intention of not using gasoline in the future then the drive would be warranted.

Thanks for that good feedback. I did actually have that experience, joining with a very few others with me thinking of starting on land to live where I am growing all the things I can and staying there with this sustainable way, and finding then that the few others I am with would migrate in a circuit from place to place, as ancestors did this! But the ancestors that did this did not use fuel for driving where they migrated. They actually would deplete the environment as they just foraged if they did not migrate... because they were not growing anything. To grow what we would use with that among compatible plants, not in crops, is actually the sustainable way that we need, and it would not be with using fuel to do so. I do not want to be with any to grow needed things making this mistaken approach again.