Fred Frank V Bur

Cole Tyler wrote:Is your diet currently omnivore, vegetarian, or vegan...and why?

Leaves a lot of room for further discussions if desired, but is essentially the core of a person's being/lifestyle - which could also make things a simple yes or no relating to compatibility.

I would agree that finding out if the person in communication is vegan or else WFPB, or not, is important for a compatible approach, yet also, from my perspective, will they be happy, or else satisfied, with a very simple way of living, completely off-grid, growing all that we can for what is wanted and is needed for food and other things. This would be really needed in the sustainable way I look for, and anyone with me would not be satisfied with that if they want things another way.

I appreciate any, like you, willing to live on land where food that can be grown will be, and caring for animals to not just use them. It is the sustainable way I see people can go on in this world besides having the high ethical position that would be involved.

This is a beautiful vision.I would want such included where I am, where I would be growing things living off-grid.

Cole Tyler wrote:This topic is why monks sit in meditation day in and day out for years and years. Soooo many factors, so much emotion, so many possibilities!

Ironically, they must eat to maintain the body and keep the brain working towards some state of spiritual "seeing".

I'm as confused and ignorant as any, yet intuition leads me towards a certain understanding of reciprocity, and limits. As humans, we reach pretty far these days, and can come up with any justification for varying degrees of "right or wrong". I find a hint of contentment in the grey area of that it's all basically right AND wrong.

Planet Earth is as violent as it is peaceful, as is the entire universe. It'll always be this way. Relativity, up down, left right, positive/negative charge, deserts oceans, bright stars black holes etc etc it's all connected equally opposite. We are in somewhat of a conundrum but gifted with awareness and different privlege levels to typically pursue the energy paths we feel drawn to.

How to apply a permaculture comparison in all of this is maybe something like  - a person who crafts thier own dwelling from store bought wood and conventional modern materials, power tools, and online plans vs a person who gathers branches and forms them into a hut, maybe using a sharp stone to cut into desired lengths and thats all. Are they both not carpenters? Which ones "better"? Which one causes more "harm" and to who, or what?

The difference is in your own perception and where that comes from based on a complex web of instilled ideals and personal experience.

If I see where I contribute to harm, certainly where it involves suffering that I can discern from shared behavior I would exhibit with the same suffering I would have, I can make different choices to not contribute to it. The choices are not for elimination of all harm or for the claim of doing so, but that reducing our own contribution as far as might be reasonably possible can be done, which is what I try choosing. This approach is the same for seeking to live on land growing things with what I contribute for that, away from cities and becoming independent from civilization for the sustainable ways I will find.

Carolyn Stapelkemper wrote:Hello i like every thing about ya but most important to me is do you have and love dogs? Even though im a Vegan and there are lots other things we have in common, but i need to know if you have a passion for dogs like i do?
Thank you
Carolyn

PS
I am 71. Live in east texas.

I am a few years younger, with being vegan over a dozen years and not using meat much longer, I don't have any animals I keep.

I guess I am already a zealot off the deep end. I already know I can't tell others what to do. I still have to endorse separating along with any others from life in cities, well apart enough on land to be growing all of what can be that would be enough for subsistence and material useful for making things, that would be best for continuing sustainably. I think of fifty different things I can be growing, when joining with others.

Niccie Rowbottom wrote:Any kids in the community? It seems Ecuador is a vegan haven but most lack children.

This is news to me. Is there a source of this information? A community really needs children there where it would continue. Clearly a community will not without children growing up there, even if new people are permitted to join, it would not be with the same continued stability.

Merry Christmas

The cost of living sounds ideal. But with being on retirement from SS and I do not think I can leave this country and still have it. But I would go to where I live without it with a place where I grow everything that is needed.

My standard and what is a safe fallback for a sandwich, and everything I many myself is vegan, is using hummus and pickle slices in it. Any vegetable I would want in it would work with that.