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Fred Frank V Bur

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This is now a pretty long while since I started here. While I search for anything that would be right (circumstances changed and I won't plan for starting up something for a community I envision) it comes up as needed that I am vegan with my choices. Others on here when I started expressed that they did not understand why a vegan intentional ecovillage community would be envisioned. To answer that, why would those vegan with their choices prefer to be in community with others using animals there? And with growing vegetation for all the vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, and fruit wanted, and materials such as fibers, why would that be thought harder to do, or not sustainable, when it really would be very much so? But as there are not vegan communities that I know of where I can easily join with simple living there, I will necessarily consider any for a community to try to join with where they leave it possible for me to yet live with real simplicity growing things and continuing without using anything from animals.

I see real problematic issues with cities of civilization, for me and those with me to be away from them and to become independent from them as far as possible as soon as that can be done.
1 day ago
With my interest in a small community focused on sustainability, with those with me growing all the things they can for needed food and materials, as an ecovillage/intentional community, I want it to not be in a city, or even so close to a city. The ideal for this is in becoming independent with subsistence on what we have there with what we do for that. Of course there are details to work out for that, and with differences among us we will need to come to terms with letting each there be themselves. I have my peculiar ways relative to others, while wanting to work at what I can for what we have a growing to have plenty from that.
1 week ago

Opal-Lia Palmer wrote:

Opal-Lia Palmer wrote:I know this thread is old but...... any news? Did anyone find a place? I'm looking to find land to start a village would love to be cell phone free.



Just fyi, I have 1.5 acres now in Northern Idaho near the Montana border to start, looking for others to join me on an adventure to build a village/community and will need larger lands in the future. I want to have a public space like library/office to hardwire with ethernet ( No WIFI)  then we can go home to our emf free zone and relax. Just one of my many ideas.  Check out my post on in villages here on Permies.
https://permies.com/t/190261/live-community-village-Idaho-Join#1567274



I like this thinking, one space where there is access to that connectivity, and all the rest free from that, which is what I want for simplicity to have what can be growing there for needed things, in sustainable living I would want to see spreading in practice to more who would do this, which more in the same location can be involved with me and share in.
2 weeks ago
Opal, I am sorry to hear of the loss of Darryl to the rest of you. It was knowing that you all envisioned community forming around the farming and living off the land which I found appealing. What I have long hoped for was to join with others as a small community with the same interest to pursue living away from centers of civilization growing everything we possibly could for food and materials we would need, to really be independent, with our simplicity in living that I see would be the sustainable way for people to keep living in this world. I prepare as I can not being involved in it yet to be ready for fully changing to that way I see needed. And I won't be using animals with this way, though I know others do. I found the healthy way does not need that.
3 weeks ago

Opal-Lia Palmer wrote:

Fred Frank V Bur wrote:

Leaf Bailey wrote:Is there a part of the country (US?) you’re looking to be in? You can look at some of my posts to learn about my spot in southern Oregon. Good luck in your hunt.



Leaf, I am in California, to the south. I haven't found anything for what I look for here, so I have realized I need to consider moving out of state. If all other things are about the same what is closer, here in the west particularly, is more desirable. However what I look for is really specific and it is likely further because of that. I want to work at growing all the variety of vegetation for food and materials possible, along with any others with me, to have in place of what would be had from what is available from modern urban civilization, and live simply, for having needed sustainability. It would be needed variety without using animals, which I wouldn't.


In San Diego is Madre Grande Monastery. They might be interested in community. check them out message them on Facebook :-) Beautiful, peaceful land once inhabited by natives of the area.  



I messaged this Madre Grande Monastery mentioning my interest and your direction to speak with them.
4 weeks ago

Douglas Alpenstock wrote:

Ben Zumeta wrote:Plants aren’t even actual vegans…


Solarians, perhaps?

No doubt they see veganism as cruel and barbaric.

Reminds me of the Arrogant Worms' classic song "Carrot Juice is Murder"

I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (fates in the stirfry are sealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (you fat gormet slob)
How do you think that feels? (leave them out in the field)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (V8's genocide)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (yes, your composts are graves)
It's time to stop all this gardening (take up macrame)
Let's call a spade a spade (is a spade, is a spade, is a spade, is a spade...


Full lyrics here. Hilarious!
https://www.songlyrics.com/arrogant-worms/carrot-juice-is-murder-lyrics/



As one choosing to live a vegan way, I would not choose to eat any plants that show sentience, awareness of what is done to them. But vegetables, fruits, grains, nuts, and seeds I use do not have any such awareness, and don't have any organs or tissues in place for that. But if there is objection just to use of more plants, that falls on those choosing to eat what they would have from animal agriculture, which takes abundantly more plants than what there is demand for among vegans even if there were as many of them.
1 month ago
So are aliens from another world vegan? If they are ethical beings they would be. And I would hope they would be. They otherwise might want to come here to eat human people. And there are plenty of us for that, to draw such beings here. So, nature may have a way to deal with all of us yet.
1 month ago
I want to have simple living in community with growing all that can be grown for what is needed, food that can be produced really sustainably that way. I would gladly do this with others.
1 month ago

Leaf Bailey wrote:Is there a part of the country (US?) you’re looking to be in? You can look at some of my posts to learn about my spot in southern Oregon. Good luck in your hunt.



Leaf, I am in California, to the south. I haven't found anything for what I look for here, so I have realized I need to consider moving out of state. If all other things are about the same what is closer, here in the west particularly, is more desirable. However what I look for is really specific and it is likely further because of that. I want to work at growing all the variety of vegetation for food and materials possible, along with any others with me, to have in place of what would be had from what is available from modern urban civilization, and live simply, for having needed sustainability. It would be needed variety without using animals, which I wouldn't.
1 month ago