Max Edleson

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While this is not exactly the application you are thinking of, I thought that you all would enjoy this staircase application of a rocket mass heater by the late, great Danish architect/builder Flemming Abrahammson of Fornyet Energi:



For a full design review of staircases integrated with masonry heaters, check out:
https://www.firespeaking.com/masonry-heaters/masonry-heater-staircases/
2 months ago
Hello all!

I wanted to follow up on this thread and share with you a photo of the prototype that was built based on the design development chronicled in this thread!



The build was the outcome of a workshop that I led at the Masonry Heater Association Annual Meeting in 2022.
It features a batch box style firebox with the ability using valves to completely switch the direction of flow either into the main mass including the bake oven and heating hot water, or reversing it so that the flame hits the cooktop.  One is able to control the amounts of primary and secondary air supplied in both configurations.  I intend to add details of this to this thread soon.

I am returning to this project  to continue work on it and have several offers for you to support it.

I have put all of the drawings together that I made to build this heater as a set of plans which are for sale (and on sale during November)!:
https://www.firespeaking.com/product/cookstove-masonry-heater-hybrid-plans/

All of the hardware to make this project is in stock and also on sale during the month of November!:
https://www.firespeaking.com/product/cookstove-masonry-heater-hybrid-hardware/

You can also get the firebox door and the cooktop individually for 15% off during November with the coupon code: PermiesNovember
https://www.firespeaking.com/product/k402-firebox-door/
https://www.firespeaking.com/product/t201-cooktop/

More soon!
2 months ago
Wow, this is some great documentation and great innovation.
I love the three barrel tower to maximize surface area and quick heat.
An interesting connection of a firebox configuration which is normally coupled with a mass heat exchanger but this time connected to a large "massless" surface area.
Keep up the good work!
2 months ago
Hi again enthusiasts of fire and stewards of the future...

Here is a summary of where the design work on this project is at:



You can find a full project summary with more detailed drawings at:
www.firespeaking.com/project/cookstove-masonry-heater-hybrid/

And you can follow discussion and development of the project at:
forums.firespeaking.com/t/cookstove-masonry-heater-hybrid/22
2 years ago
I just wanted to update people interested that I have posted an update on the project with some sections describing some of the inner workings of the stove proposed.
2 years ago
Hi all,

This is a great thread.  Indeed, as mentioned earlier in the thread, we at Firespeaking have offered plans in the past but what we've found is that there is so much background knowledge required to execute the plans that a lot of documentation is needed to support them.  This is something we are working on.  In the meantime, I can't more highly recommend joining us at the Masonry Heater Association Annual Meeting in North Carolina this April where there will be an outstanding list of hands-on workshops.

For those of you who have settled on a design, we carry a whole line of cast iron hardware including firebox doors, oven doors, bypass dampers, cleanouts, ash doors, grates and cooktops for the heater you want to build!

2 years ago
Hi all,

I wanted to let you know about a project that I'm developing to present at the Masonry Heater Association Annual Meeting this April in North Carolina.  It combines the rocket combustion strategy with also a simple cookstove approach, switched using bypass dampers.

The project development is being documented at this location:
https://forums.firespeaking.com/t/cookstove-masonry-heater-hybrid/22/5







I will be posting updates to that thread.

Regards,
Max
2 years ago
Thank you for the kind words Gerry!  Our work at Firespeaking is evolving from design/build to being more active in education and distribution so I thought I would make an effort to be present in relevant forums such as this one.  We look forward to being a part of the conversation.
3 years ago
Hi all!
Just a little assistance with some terms.....

The insulative fire brick (IFBs) are the light, generally white ones and Thomas is right that they are great for the heat riser but not in situations where they will be continually abraded by wood.

As far as refractory firebrick goes (generally yellow/buff in color), you can find low, medium, and high duty versions out there.  There isn't much low duty firebrick produced these days.  Medium duty will more than meet RMH requirements and is more economic than the high duty.

Alsey, Whitaker Greer, and Harbison Walker International (HWI) are the main fire brick makers / distributors in North America.  It is most likely that a local brick supplier will have one of these three brands. HWI has its own distribution centers and an impressive array of refractory products, including castables.  There is also some fire brick coming in from India and China these days.

In our experience as heater masons.... it doesn't really make sense to stock up on firebrick.  We prefer to let local masonry supply shops supply the firebrick (and red brick) for projects and for us to have more specialized materials on hand.  For us, this has evolved to stocking a full line of mass heater hardware which we have in stock and ship:
www.firespeaking.com/hardware

Hope this helps!
3 years ago
Hi "Cow Dog",

Indeed, as both Thomas and Ansis state... the rocket mass heater and the masonry heater exist on two ends of a spectrum of heat retaining devices.  

The rocket mass heater is intriguing in how cleanly it is able to burn at a relatively low caloric output, the combination of quick and retained heat it provides, and for the simplicity and economy of its design.  

A masonry heater (like the Finnish Contraflow Ansis refers to) is characterized by a larger fire-viewing firebox where a significantly larger load of wood is incinerated into heat energy over a 2-3 hour timespan and stored in its mass.  The cleanliness of the burn has a lot to do with the size and intensity of the fire.

A batch box rocket mass heater exists somewhere in between these two.  As I see it, a batch box is basically a masonry heater with a smaller firebox whose firebox and propulsion design are inspired by original rocket mass heater designs.

When you start burning more fuel at once to store the heat over a longer period of time, the use of metal as a radiating surface becomes less useful because you can overheat the material, which results in either overheating the space or stressing the material.

Design and choices have a lot to do with the amount of heat that you need for the building, how responsive you want it to be, and how long you want to be firing each day.
3 years ago