Meadow Cern

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What will the money raised through Kickstarter go towards… making the movie, writing the book, both? Something else?
3 months ago
Interesting idea about the charcoal; has it been tried and does it work?

I know that when we built and used a composting toilet back in the 90s that the urine separator/diverter was very easy to do. We used an upside down bleach bottle cut in half. That worked pretty good, but I think the toilet diverters they have today that go on a bucket or in a regular composting toilet are probably nicer. I think they are around $50+ manufactured.

Our biggest issue was the smell of the urine that collects in the diverter. We used a spray bottle full of bleach back then since the urine went to a grey water rock bed system, never to be seen again (this was when we lived out in the country in Nebraska), but today I would be more likely to use a spray bottle with half water and half vinegar in it to keep the scent down, plus it keeps it cleaner, is more environmentally, friendly, and the urine could be captured and USED for other purposes like you mentioned.
3 months ago
I haven't used the willow feeder but before I read Paul's method, I had designed a VERY similar system with buckets with the same 2-year period, but minus the willow part. I know about humanure, and have designed and used solar composting toilets (similar to Enviro-loo) and solar dehydrating/drying toilets (that use lime), so I combined these ideas to just dry the urine and compost the poop.

Re the willow feeder:
I am wondering... what happens with the urine exactly?

Here's a breakdown of the differences/similarities:

WILLOW                             MEADOW
Poo + carbon/dry material        Poo + sawdust
urine separated/diverted          urine separated via urine diverter
poo 2 yrs in bucket/can             poo 2 yrs in bucket
urine goes ________?                    urine into solar dehydrator*
poo dries out                              poo composts
2 yrs is willow feeder                 2 yrs is brush/bushes/tree fertilizer

*solar dehydrator is an outhouse with full window/door on south side (no overhang). Roof can be clear roofing panels. Inside, clear shelving or place to hang buckets, buckets painted black, no lids, buckets stacked or hung bottom to top inside "outhouse" pee-house, tall vent pipe installed (black pipe or painted black) up/out of roof with spinning cap. Can insulate if desired with rockwool. Can place reflective surface on interior walls, if desired. P-house acts as a kind of solar oven (similar to solar dehydrator), which heats up and evaporates the urine up and out the flu-vent. When bucket is empty, can clean or simply refill with 'fresh' urine and dehydrate it again. My design came about because greywater in Nova Scotia is not allowed for urine, so systems have to be completely contained or not released in any form into the environment at all. Same with poop. So this was my idea to deal with that. I think a better idea would be to allow urine to go into what looks like a single basin style distiller, except that it's designed solely for dehydrating urine directly rather than carrying buckets to an outhouse. Next idea is to not have to carry buckets of poop either and just let them move on rollers to the storage area through a compartment door. The bathroom, bucket system, and urine dehydrator are all part of one bathroom system. A third idea is to allow the buckets of poo to be heated as well, but that's not really composting, it's baking/dehydrating/drying out the poo, which creates chunks of poop rather than soil, so that sounds kind of gross. lol

Aside from my question above on what happens with the urine in the willow feeder, I would like to know how well others like the willow feeder too after using it for a while. I think it's a fantastic idea.

3 months ago
Yeah it’s the only one that would be legal here in NS because of its being manufactured and its rating. But be prepared to double check with your insurance company first. Just be sure and frame it verbally as a “pellet stove”, not a RMH!
1 year ago
Thanks S Marshall, I appreciate the link. We are in two countries but in this endeavour together!

Hopefully we can find a solution. I am contacting our insurance companies to see what they require in order to get it to pass insurance, but what I am proposing to them is:

1) Liberator rocket heater since it is EPA approved
2) Legal contractor or certified mason to build the mass bench (perhaps Walkerstoves.com style)

In Canada there may be additional requirements such as ULC certification and WETT installer/inspection approval. I figure with those, there is no way any insurance company in Canada could say no, but I'm not holding my breath until it is done.

1 year ago
Oh thank you for that link and info! I had no idea that there was another company out there trying to build RMH stoves like this. They look good and I am going to email them to see if they are still actually around. I recognize their contact phone as a Tacoma number as I used to live there and Greater Seattle.

A neighbour of ours has a masonry stove heater built by a German mason in NS, but it cost him $30k to build and the mason is no longer in business. Too bad as that would have been an excellent person to ask if he'd be willing to build an RMH bench on one of these rocket stove heater units. If I can figure out a way to make this happen for our ecovillage, I will.
1 year ago
I have one thought re Paul Wheaton’s recent email mention of “It seems so bizarre to me that interest in rocket mass heaters is not a thousand times more than it is.”

I can tell you why based on my real estate investment experience and as a designer and owner builder of a passive solar home (and why I was perplexed for decades why everyone didn’t and still do not build all homes with passive solar energy efficient design), as well as the fact that we are building an ecovillage that cannot have RMH systems in the homes…

The main reasons why are because:

1) It is labour intensive (hard work) for most people who already work full time for a living
2) Most people do not know how or want to make one (lack skill set, no time or desire to learn or build)—Permies folks are the exception, not the rule for the majority of society for large/complex DIY projects
3) Home insurance will not cover RMHs (they could literally be denied necessary/required coverage by installing a RMH)
4) There’s no standardized designs (the information online is overwhelming and you have to dig to find it all) and gets worse due to differences between specific heaters types
5) The barrel is ugly and may not meet code requirements for heating stoves (need an alternative that can be purchased)
6) Certified masons are not in the know for how to build it for people
7) There's no certified brand of rocket stove, except the Liberator, which really only uses pellets efficiently (people may not want to buy pellets indefinitely) and it’s very touchy to add a bench to it—without the thermal mass it is not a true Rocket Mass Heater.

To my knowledge…
Nobody has put together a RMH system(s) that includes a certified stove that uses sticks/wood and that ANY certified mason can build and put together for them, and that can pass insurance inspections, which can also be mass produced.

Once these issues have been solved these things should happen:

- the equipment is manufactured and sold by a company (cooperative or business)
- equipment eventually carried by outside companies (that sell furnaces, wood stoves, etc.)
- replacement parts carried by hardware stores, or similar shops
- public majority educated about RMHs and how they work, and why they’re superior
- Codes are accepting of these systems (work on this first, starting with the most stringent codes rules)
- Insurance acceptance of these systems (reach out to insurance companies towards education and acceptance)
- that these are backup heating systems but could be primary (with electric or similar backup for automation or vacation duration)
- that they can use multiple types of fuel (maybe interchangeably)… wood, coppice branches, pellets, whatever else
- they can be used to cook (built in stovetop and oven)
- they can heat water (should also be tied into their water heater for pre-heating, primary, and/or backup)
- their placement in the home should ideally be central
- homes should include an earth tube for feeding tempered air supply for the fire
- financing should be available
- cost should be competitive
- It should be called a sub-type of a masonry stove heater so it passes codes, perhaps using a different name than the homemade 55-gal drum versions (to differentiate them)
- J-tube, L-tube or batch box versions and different sizes, etc., could potentially be available

A think tank of permaculturists who are regenepreneurs (regenerative entrepreneurs) and other business people should get together and create a company collective to design, crowdsource fund, make, market and sell these kits to anyone who can hire a professional builder or mason to build it.

Then the world will start changing, one RMH at a time.

I have been thinking about this a lot because we are planning on building an ecovillage here in Nova Scotia soon and had planned on buying a certified rocket stove (Liberator) and adding a wood stove as the bell so it could pass codes, and get a certified mason to build the bench, but pellets are not ideal for people ages 50+ because they cannot always lift heavy bags or deal with that… so that idea to get these systems to a place where they are insurable for the entire village stopped dead in its tracks.

I don’t have time or ability to head such a business endeavour to produce engineer-stamped (required in Canada) RMH kits in mass production, plus deal with an extensive marketing and educational campaign, so this job cannot be done by me. We have enough on our plate.

But I would love to see great minds put something like this together. Above is the information needed to *begin* working on a worthy business plan.
1 year ago
We are building an ecovillage here in southern Nova Scotia, Canada, and were hoping to use the Liberator rocket stove heater with a thermal mass bench (by a certified mason).

The rules are strict here and insurance will NOT cover this unless it's certified or built by certified/qualified persons. We would love to have every home include a RMH, if possible.

I'm interested to hear more about if anyone else has done this too, what their experience was like, and what challenges were overcome, if any?
1 year ago

elisa rathje wrote:has anyone tried converting a chiminea to a smoker? i have a small angular one that might work…



Oooh! Another neat idea (chiminea).
3 years ago