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Summary

Paul is at Alan Booker's Permaculture Design Course 2023, where he talks with Brandt who attended last year.

Paul comments that Alan aims to make PDC better every year, Brandt agrees that there's new stuff this year.

Brandt has ¾ acre and he's built hügelkultur on it; when he built the first part he went traveling for 3½ weeks and came back to find loads of food.  He's planted all kinds of stuff to see what grows.

Paul explains his theory that most people want candy; they form a community and vote for candy, yet only a few are prepared to work on actually getting candy.  It's like permaculture: most people say they haven't got time, because their time is filled with work, shopping, partying or playing games.  Brandt works typically 45 hours a week on a worky job, and yet puts in over 25 hours on his lot.  

Brandt says that when he got married and had kids his focus changed: he built a house for his family, which later led to permaculture and growing his own food.  He finds Paul's podcasts motivational and likes to listen while he's working in the garden.  He's learning how to be more renewable and reduce his energy use.  

Brandt also says it's hard to start.  Paul comments that the SKIP book has many projects and they agree that you need to start small and do a piece at a time  

Brandt feels that having got his permaculture working he has more security for the future without needing so much money.  In future, he hopes to be able to give back to the world rather than being a consumer.
Paul suggests people try to fill their souls by buying plastic stuff in the store.  He hardly goes to the store now because it has few things he needs.  He thinks if people can only start they can fill their souls from permaculture and make themselves happier and more secure.

Relevant Threads

2023 Permaculture Design Course for Scientists and Engineers, June 17 - July 1, 2023

SKIP Book - a Framework to Connect Industrious People with Elderly Land Owners

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