Medicinal herbs for molds

Dr Sharol Tilgnier, it is the first time I start a post with the name of an author with a specific question, but I want to thank you and dig a bit more if possible, into your article about molds and toxins protocole https://youarethehealer.org/mold-and-toxins/moldy-people/healing-from-mold/step-by-step-protocol-to-heal-from-mold/

I understand the elimination, but is it possible to have an infection of molds still living in the body? Do we need to use some herbals, as some plants are good fungicides, to kill the mold inside?

Do you agree with this in general:
- Eosinophils can mean mold infection
- Stored iron is linked to chronic infection, including molds
- Molds can produce oxalate

I prefer E.Oils because they are oxalate free compared to the plant, and there is oregano, laurel, tea-tree, geranium... but I don't know what would be the best nor how to use them internally, as we have no idea where would be the fungi... It is not as easy as treating athlete foot!

Hello Xisca,

If you have high eosinophils, ask your practitioner to test for parasites as well as considering an allergic fungal sinusitis (See below).
Ask for a stool test that uses PCR technology to amplify the DNA of the parasite. This is the most sensitive stool test and will find them dead or alive. It does not rely on someone seeing a parasite with a scope, so it is much more reliable.

A person does need normal stomach acid to absorb iron.

Molds are a type of fungus. People can grow some types of fungus in their body. We have candida normally in our digestive tract (a yeast that is a fungus but not a mold) but it can get out of control and cause issues. There are other yeast that are problematic also. There additionally are fungal organisms that can indeed grow in the body and usually in the lungs, nasal area or the sinuses. Much of rhinitis is actually now thought to be mold related. Everyone has molds in their nasal passages as they are simply in the air. However, the people who seem to have rhinitis and other issues are found to have more of them. There can also be an issue with an allergic reaction to normal levels of molds and that would equate with high eosinophils also. These are things to talk to your practitioner about. I will list data here about the allergic reaction:

A distinct entity, allergic fungal sinusitis (AFS), occurs in immunocompetent patients and results from an immunologic reaction to fungi that colonize the sinuses. Most people tolerate exposure to mold spores in the air because they are ubiquitous in our environment. However, people with AFS develop a hypersensitivity reaction involving an intense eosinophilic inflammatory response to the fungus that has colonized the sinuses. Common fungi associated with this syndrome include Bipolaris specifera and Aspergillus, Curvularia, and Fusarium species. This is an allergic noninvasive response to the fungus that should be distinguished from invasive fungal sinusitis, which is more common in diabetic and immunocompromised patients. The diagnostic criteria for AFS include findings of chronic sinusitis on computed tomography (CT) of the sinuses (such as mucosal thickening, opacification, polyps, and high-intensity signaling from the high protein content in the mucus) or low signaling of fungal concretions in sinus cavities on MRI. On sinus culture, fungi can be isolated with associated allergic mucin, which is mucus loaded with degranulated eosinophils. Allergy skin testing can verify that these patients have an immunoglobulin E (IgE)-mediated reaction to molds.

In case this is confusing: An allergic reaction to mold  is an IgE reaction and not what usually happens to people who have a mold illness reaction. Rather, what can happen with folks who have mold reactions is that their body is they are overwhelmed with the toxins from a water-damaged building and the immune system reacts in an unhelpful manner. They now tend to be more likely to get a yeast infection or even fungal infection that shows up as chronic rhinitis or sinusitis.

Any type of chronic infection/inflammatory condition can lead to decrease ferritin or iron stores.

I don't know about molds and oxalate. I will have to look into that.

Before you start taking strong essential oils, which sometimes make people worse if not needed, I suggest you do the testing with your practitioner that I mentioned above. Know what is causing your issue before treating. The stool test can also look for yeast at the same time they are testing for parasites.  This link takes you to one of the first labs that started doing PCR GI testing and I have used them in the past. https://www.diagnosticsolutionslab.com/tests/gi-map

I found out that aspergillus make oxalate. Candida also goes away better when removing oxalate stores by reducing intake from food, spices and whole herbs. Fungi can use the oxalate for hiding! Oxalate also impairs sulfation because oxalate and sulfate have the same transporter.

I have read all I could when I discovered I was dumping oxalate, and it is not a rare issue even when people don't have kidney stones. Then I discovered the link to sulfur, and noticed low oxalate foods are the ones high in sulfur, and the ones I most crave!

I said bingo! when you mentionned sinus, as mine are not clear. My father also has similar issues but more than me, due to age, and having spent more time than me in the moldy house... He has lost his sense of SMELL and has polyps. Also oxalate issues and muscle wasting (I guess lack of sulfur)

I actually had a bronchitis and nothing helped during 1 month, until I started to notice a moldy smell (I am a high detector!): it was in the pillow my friend had brought!!! I threw it out and started to recover. I am even back from the fatigue but still I want better!

My practitionner uses hair analysis, where my iron increased and I have low copper. My ferritin tends to high while RBC and iron tends to low. Recovering from mold bronchitis fatigue included methylB12 and P5P for me.  I take Bs  Vit. which is logical with oxalate issues. If I have attrated your attention upon oxalate, I will be happy because I have found so many people who have the issue without knowing and were so thankful. I transmit because I cannot thank enough those who made me know about it!

I am about to do the DNA GI testing, with biomes in Germany and I hope their test is good!

Welcome Dr. Tilgnier.

A friend is living in a moldy house, the landlord is remiss in fixing a water problem in the basement. The basement is the worst but she fears the whole place is affected to some degree.

What prophylactic protocol do you recommend for her to help her fight her environment and stay healthy. She is about 6 months from being able to move out.

Thank you.

PS - Edited to fix spelling.

Lee Gee wrote:Welcome Dr. Tilgnier.

A friend is living in a moldy house, the landlord is remiss in fixing a water problem in the basement. The basement is the worst but she fears the whole place is affected to some degree.

What prophylactic protocol do you recommend for her to help her fight her environment and stay healthy. She is about 6 months from being ale to move out.

Thank you.

Did you see the link to what she wrote?
https://youarethehealer.org/mold-and-toxins/moldy-people/healing-from-mold/step-by-step-protocol-to-heal-from-mold/

I would do anything to move out it will cost less than to stay... My childhood house had a problem in the basement, it is repaired when the new owner found out, but I can still smell it from the street...

Sharol Tilgner wrote:The diagnostic criteria for AFS include findings of chronic sinusitis on computed tomography (CT) of the sinuses (such as mucosal thickening, opacification, polyps, and high-intensity signaling from the high protein content in the mucus) or low signaling of fungal concretions in sinus cavities on MRI. On sinus culture, fungi can be isolated with associated allergic mucin, which is mucus loaded with degranulated eosinophils. Allergy skin testing can verify that these patients have an immunoglobulin E (IgE)-mediated reaction to molds.

In case this is confusing: An allergic reaction to mold  is an IgE reaction and not what usually happens to people who have a mold illness reaction. Rather, what can happen with folks who have mold reactions is that their body is they are overwhelmed with the toxins from a water-damaged building and the immune system reacts in an unhelpful manner. They now tend to be more likely to get a yeast infection or even fungal infection that shows up as chronic rhinitis or sinusitis.

This seems to match...
I have to translate in order to see what to ask and what exists in Spain. As I pay for it directly, I have to see what is most economical! So if I understand, I have to look for CT and MRI, or have an analysis of mucus from the sinus. + skin testing.

And yes I had seen that I did not match mold illness but they don't talk about anything else!
And yes, past moldy house and always had a tendency to chronic sinusitis...

Lee Gee wrote:Welcome Dr. Tilgnier.

A friend is living in a moldy house, the landlord is remiss in fixing a water problem in the basement. The basement is the worst but she fears the whole place is affected to some degree.

What prophylactic protocol do you recommend for her to help her fight her environment and stay healthy. She is about 6 months from being able to move out.

Thank you.

I am not Dr. Tilgnier, but I read a study years ago when I was on a major natural mold remediation search that found that using a particular blend of essential oils was more effective than the professional mold remediation chemicals used to remove mold and its spores. The study found that running the EOs in the diffuser a certain amount of hours daily was more than 99% effective at killing the mold and its spores. The blend was the "beggar's blend", (which used to be called "thieves" blend, but the name has meanwhile been trademarked by a rather unscrupulous EO company despite the fact that the blend name was an old folklore blend that belongs to the people. So now one isn't allowed to use the name anymore). Anyway, if your friend can afford to run EOs in a diffuser as a regular part of her daily routine, it could take care of most of the mold issues. The blend consists of 5 EOs: lemon, rosemary, eucalyptus, clove, and cinnamon. It will also make her house smell absolutely divine! :-)  I cannot find the study anymore, unfortunately. I had it saved on one of my old computers that is no longer functional.
Ideally, of course, she would just move out, but that may not be an option so the above is 2nd best, IMO.

Thank you for your responses.

I love essential oils in a diffuser for mold. She has a dog and EO are causing liver failure in dogs/cats at normal levels for humans. I have also heard of a company who uses essential oil bombs in place of toxic chemicals to kill the mold. Trying to find them. Will post it when I do.

What about homeopathics to kill the mold, not only in her but in the house? Is this a viable alternative?

Hi Xisca,

That would make sense that fungi would make oxalates. It is one of the many things bacteria use in biofilms to hide and fungi are often a part of biofilms along with other pathogens. Fungi outside of the body have been known to create such protections, Lichens also. Biofilms seem to always have some types of metals in them and they appear to be key to keeping the biofilms together. I find that for biofilm organisms that take hold in the gut, I usually have to resort to using chelators such as n-acetyl cysteine, and alpha lipoic acid along with subnitrate bismuth subnitrate to pull out those metals and break up the biofilm. Although, there are herbs that are also biofilm busters, these heavy duty sulfur chelators are often needed. They also pull out mercury and other heavy metals and can really throw people for a loop if they do this and don't know they have heavy metals in their body. They can get super sick. Biofilms are a huge issue.

Thanks for telling me about the oxalates, that makes a lot of sense.

You mentioned low iron. Do you know that oxalates bind iron?

A lot of people with chronic illness find they have high oxalates when they do an organic acids test.

I was just looking for types of fungus that can make oxalates and looks like penicillium can also. Addtitionally the yeast Candida (also a fungus but not a mold) appears to make oxalates. Now that folks are looking for oxalates in association with fungus they may find many of them make them. I see that in pulmonary Apsergillosis they are starting to do sputum tests as a method to diagnose pumonary Aspergillosis when they are not sure if it is there by other methods.

It also looks like Aspergillus and Candida may be using oxalate to make energy as an intermedite in their citric acid cycle (Krebs cycle). I will have to look into this more next week when I have a little more time.

Hello Lee,

It is very difficult to stay in a moldy house if it is bothering you. Depending on the mold(s) they can be somewhat benign or they can be super hazardous. Depending on the person's genetics, they may not notice, have a mild reaction or their body may start to fall to pieces big time. Mycotoxins and other toxins (bacterial, from building, inflammogens) in a water-damaged basement can move through wall spaces or through doors to other parts of the house. How much reaches other areas depends on the build of the house.

The best thing is to leave a moldy space, but if a person can't leave a moldy building then using binders and methods to build up glutathione can be helpful. Also using saunas or anything that enhances sweating and then wash that sweat with the toxins off immediately. Basically, people attempt to move the toxins out of their body or try to biortransform (detox) them. There are links at this page on my website that lead to dta on binders and supporting the biotransformation system. https://youarethehealer.org/mold-and-toxins/moldy-people/healing-from-mold/step-by-step-protocol-to-heal-from-mold/additional-protocols-you-should-know-about/

Hello Xisca, Regarding the testing, I suggest testing for only what you think is the most likely. Since you have sinusitis, that might be the key. You can test for fungi or bacteria or both. Usually both are the best way to go. If you want to know what bacteria or fungus might be causing it the best way is an endoscopy into the sinuses and taking a mucus sample. That sucks though and is spendy. The next way would be to take a sample through the nose at the back of the throat. I think if you did a lot of  humming first to open up the sinuses a bit or used hot water inhalations that might open the sinuses to drain in the throat and help get a better sample.
How To Take A Sample
This is not a comfortable procedure. You have to put a swab about four inches back into the nasal pharynx and you use a nostril to access it. You are swabbing the nasopharynx(back of the throat area). You don't go through the mouth to do it as you do not want to pick up the bacteria in the mouth which will cloud the picture. The idea is to gently rub the cotton swab against the back of your throat/nose.  If you have labs that allow you to order tests, they might do it at that lab for you. Otherwise I would suggest going to a practitioner such as an Eye, ear, nose, throat specialist as some general practitioners don't know how to do this.

If a person could not get these tests as they could not afford them or they were not available, and they were sure they had some type of hard to treat fungal or bacterial pathogen, then I would look at an experimental biofilm treatment which might include things like using a nebulizer to get glutathione or n-acetyl cysteine into the sinuses. However, this should be done with a practitioner. A person can have wild reactions including having trouble breathing if they suddenly pull mercury out of their cells by doing this or unleash other toxins too fast.  

Another choices is that person could start with Oregano essential oil as an old fashioned inhalation - (1 drop at a time in hot water) as it has some biofilm busting abilities too, but is not always enough and you need one of the sulfur containing chelators often as well as Oregano together.  Read about creating an herbal inhalation here: https://youarethehealer.org/herbal-medicine/making-herbal-products/herbal-steam-inhalation/

Some people can take the chelators and herbs orally, but usually if the nasal cavity or sinuses/lungs are involved it just does not cut it.

Additionally, snorting of probiotics has helped some people with rhinitis and sinusitis. The type of flora that is best is the type found in the fermented food kimchi.  The kimchi itself is snorted by folks too.

Hello Lee,

The essentail oil bombs will not work permanently. They can't reach inside of walls or ceilings where the mold is usually growing. It will only take care of the external parts it can reach.  Essential oils sprayed or bombed do seem to help temporarily. They must alter the toxins made by the molds/bacterias etc some how also. It does not last usually though. Only a complete remediation usually takes care of it which can be super extensive. It is usually cheaper to move.

Yes, pretty much all essential oils can cause neurotoxicity in animals and humans. Some people have killed their dogs and cats putting essential oils on them.

Thanks so much Sharol! I am amazed by your knowledge! And as an Aspie and good nerd, lol I don't say that often!

Yes I am aware about oxalate and iron, and it is the same with lead and mercury and they can be stored in bones, where 80% of the oxalate is stored by the body... I started dumping thanks to a permie thread! So I did the carnivore diet, which helped tremendously with my energy levels. Now I add back high sulfur plants but have to stay low in carbs and fibers (I had an OAT but they did not measure oxalate, but I had Lactate and Succinate, a good fat metabilism, no candida but SIBO, and both liver phases I and II not working properly). I will add legumes for binding the bile.

I will really apply all this you said, because I value it so much (and know how it feels when people don't value what I say!)

I even already have NAC and TUDCA at home, but I want to organize what I take in good order... No oxalate specialist tells WHAT HAPPENS WITH METALS WHEN OXALATE COMES OUT! I believe this is the most important thing to search now about oxalate. (So many complaints in private among members of the low oxalate group because challenging posts are never published) I am aware my health changed within 2 years after 7 MERCURY REMOVALS. My brain is highly functionning and I don't want to change this!

And yes I was keeping the idea of oregano when ready to attack molds... It is too irritating to just use it when not the right time. I also have a neti pot but I am not sure this is good on a daily basis.

I was using turmeric and milk thistle by the way, but I dump less oxalate by stopping, so I will turn to the extracts, as they are both very high in oxalate. Oils are sure super low in oxalate, but I could not get the answer about what sort of extraction removed oxalate safely. It would be worth knowing at least for  alcoholic extracts....

Fungicide essential oils :

Oregano origanum compactum
Tea-tree melaleuca alternifolia
Laurel laurus nobilis
Thyme thymus vulgaris
Lavander lavandula vera
Rose geranium Pelargonium asperum
Palmarosa  cymbopogon martinii
Cinnamon cinnamomum verum

Lee Gee wrote:
I love essential oils in a diffuser for mold. She has a dog and EO are causing liver failure in dogs/cats at normal levels for humans.

You bring up a good point regarding EOs and pets. Certainly cats have been shown to not do well with EOs and should not have EOs be put on them or be in an environment that is heavily laden with EOs in the air. For dogs, there are certain EOs that have a bad effect, namely Pennyroyal, Wintergreen, and using too much Tea Tree Oil too often. As for other EOs, I have never had an issue with using them on my dogs. I have been using a particular EO combination for all the dogs I have owned as a natural flea/tick prevention for the last 20+ years and have never had a dog have an issue. I put it on them 1X/week. In fact, the few times I bring them to the vet (for the required-by-law rabies booster every 3 years), the vet tells me that if all of her clients' animals were as healthy as mine, she would be out of business. Every dog I have owned in the last 20 years, and there have been quite a few, has never had any health issues and each one has died of simple old age. No cancer, no allergies, no skin or ear issues, no liver or kidney problems, nothing. I think the idea is to keep the EOs within reason. I have also used EOs in a diffuser for mold remediation until I was able to get the source of the mold dealt with, and my dogs were a part of that environment at that time as well. That was many years ago, but no dogs from that time got any issues either. However, I ran the diffuser intensely for only about 3 weeks or so after which I was able to deal with the mold source. I probably wouldn't go beyond 4 weeks. Also, I have large dogs, who weigh between 70 and 110lbs. With small dogs I would reassess how long I would let the dog sit in a room/house with EOs heavily diffusing into the air.

I am wondering about what to do in what order. so what to do BEFORE introducing herbals + chelator...

Sharol Tilgner wrote:Another choices is that person could start with Oregano essential oil as an old fashioned inhalation - (1 drop at a time in hot water) as it has some biofilm busting abilities too, but is not always enough and you need one of the sulfur containing chelators often as well as Oregano together.  Read about creating an herbal inhalation here: https://youarethehealer.org/herbal-medicine/making-herbal-products/herbal-steam-inhalation/

Because it is a bit of a cycle... Does using oregano causes more toxins to be released, and thus is it necessary to thus support elimination organs first and take binders?
Or on the reverse, it is necessary to kill molds FIRST because they go on producing toxins?

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I have also used EO on dogs without any other issue than them running away if they had a chance to smell the eucalyptus oil I was going to pour in their mouth! (but those with the EO were cured before the ones with the vet treatment, so I put all dogs with EO). l have also used onion juice, both externally on a bad skin infection, staph if I remember, and internally, like a glass a day, before I knew it was toxic! Well, the dog was cured.

Too much tea-tree oil too often has also led some people to become allergic and not be able to use it any more!
When I use it as an antifungic, I always alternate with another. I have no idea about rhythm so I do it randomly. I odn't think I have ever used tea-tree during more than a week.

Hi Xisca,

This is kind of a run on free form of speech in response to your questions/comments. I hope some of it is helpful.

Regarding the Oregano, I mention it as I have experimented with many hard to treat microbes/fungus and found it to be most useful. The research bears this out when they test it against other herbs too. I also have a favorite product for GI use but don't know if I am allowed to name it. It is an emulsified oregano oil that is in sustained release form. Of course this will not work to inhale it and for inhalation, I use plain essential oil in hot water as old time inhalation as I mentioned before - 1 drop at a time. All those other herbs are great antifungals too. I just gave you my favorite for hard to treat situations.

Yes, using the antifungals and chelators does cause issues. There is the issue of breaking down biofilms and having the pathogens roaming as well as releasing their debris inside the biofilm. Then there is the reaction of releasing other toxins from cells as the chelators will do that too. If a person reacts badly, they need to back up and start over with much less. Some people know they are sensitive and start with less in the beginning.

There is also the issue with disrupting your own native bacteria and yeast etc. However, they are usually disrupted anyway if there are pathogens out of control.  People just do the best they can and back off if it is too much. Some people go through weeks of treatment, stop and wait a few months and go back again. Everyone is different when battling bodily pathogens that are hard to treat.

I do hope that people will be fairly certain they know what is being treated, what the cause is before starting though. If a person is sure they have a pathogen in their sinuses or elsewhere it is good to treat it, but not unless fairly certain about it.

Yes, organs of elimination should always be supported first. I think you know what they are, but will list them for others here:

The main organs of elimination are
   Liver
   Gastrointestinal System
   Kidneys
   Lungs
   Skin
   Capillaries/Veins
   Lymphatic System/Glymphatic System

Supporting these organs means you support their normal function. When someone is under assault from mycotoxins, all of these organs take a beating. They are working hard to remove the mycotoxins from the body, but additionally they can have damage from the presence of these toxins. This causes inflammation and lack of vitality. This is why binders are so important to remove mycotoxins in the gut. Anything you can remove from the body as it goes through the enterohepatic circulation (ultimately ending up in the feces if binders are used) needs to be removed in this manner as it gives relief to the rest of the body including the other organs of elimination.

Methods That Support Elimination Of Toxins In General

   Eat Healthy - I have written about this in many articles - Will try to get a seperate article up in my Food section
   Eating A Lot of Vegetables, focus on cruciferous veggies (be aware that too many raw ones can decrease thyroid acitivty), also garlic, spices, berries - bright colored vegetables and fruit
   Supporting The Biotransformation System - or See Healing From Mold Modality #5
   Saunas - Some people do better with near infrared as they are not as hot, you sweat at a lower temperature.
   Skin Brushing
   Drinking Plenty of clean Water
   Getting Refreshing Sleep
   Exercise
   Binders - See Healing From Mold modality #4
   Breath fresh air
   Get rid of any toxins in your life, physical/mental/emotional

You asked about oxalates. They have been studied for so many years and only just now becoming better understood, but still shadows of answers. Here are a few ideas. See if any of them are helpful.

Endogenous oxalate production is thought to be fairly constant, attributing for up to 60–80% of total plasma oxalate and urinary oxalate excretion. Evidence indicates that the liver is the main site of oxalate synthesis but that other tissues may also contribute up to 20%.  Findings suggest links between sugar metabolism, peroxidation and oxalate. It appears that glutathione may be useful in keeping oxalate production from glycolate controlled also. When glutathione is depleted there are increases in oxalate formation. Besides taking glutathione, things that increase its presence by recycling and protecting it are n-acetyl cysteine, alpha lipoic acid and selenium. n-acetyl cysteine, alpha lipoic acid are also chelators, so people need to be careful, especially with lipoic acid.

Treatment possibilities for hyperoxaluria

The standard treatment in mainstream is:
Initial first-line therapies include a low-oxalate diet while maintaining adequate calcium intake, pyridoxine (B-6), increased fluids, and optimization of other calcium oxalate nephrolithiasis risk factors. Limit ingestion of vitamin C and cranberry juice products. Calcium supplements are the initial treatment of choice for digestive hyperoxaluria,  along with a low-fat diet, antidiarrheal therapy, and sufficient potassium citrate supplementation to maintain optimal urinary citrate levels.

Sodium bicarbonate and sodium hydroxide will increase sodium oxalate which is readily absorbed, increasing the systemic oxalosis effects. So avoid them.

I realize you are talking about oxalates that your body is making and not what is in foods, but binding what is in foods will also help decrease the load.  Plus the body does secrete oxalate from the blood back into the lumen of the small intestine and researchers believe this is the bodies  preferred method of secretion rather than the kidneys, based on various technical reasons. Most people think that they need to stay away from calcium as they might get calcium oxalate stones, however it has been found ingesting plenty of calcium on a daily basis and binding up the oxalate in the stomach and gut will keep it from ending up in the kidneys. When combined with calcium, it produces an insoluble product termed calcium oxalate and can be excreted in the feces. The transporters that move oxalate in exchange for other anions move oxalate into gut cells in exchange for sulfate and/or bicarbonate in the cells. Once in the cells, oxalate is secreted into the gut lumen by a transporter in exchange for chloride ion in the gut lumen. This movement of chloride is driven by a higher concentration of chloride in the gut lumen than in the cells. The chloride is from food and secretions from workings of the intestines in respect to electrolyte metabolism.

Take calcium before eating things with oxalate and the calcium should bind with it. There are issues with calcium binding to lipids if the gall bladder is not working and there is less bile excreted during fatty meals. The most commonly recommended form is calcium citrate because the citrate component offers an additional benefit as a natural inhibitor of calcium oxalate urinary crystallization. Calcium citrate without vitamin D should be used because the calcium should remain in the intestinal tract as long as possible to better interact and bind with the available oxalate. Calcium carbonate can also be used but does not have the same beneficial effect as citrate.

Besides calcium, magnesium is also used to bind oxalate:
Supplementation with magnesium in the form of magnesium hydroxide and magnesium oxide has been used in studies. Magnesium can complex with oxalate in the intestinal tract, reducing the level of available free oxalate and urinary calcium oxalate supersaturation. When used in combination with pyridoxine (b6), significant reductions in urinary oxalate levels have been noted.

Increase water.

Foods that contain high oxalate levels (eg, spinach, rhubarb, beets, nuts, chocolate, tea, wheat bran, strawberries) should be avoided. Increased fluid intake and a low-fat low–meat-protein diet are also suggested.
Excessive meat-protein intake should be avoided because it has been shown to significantly increase urinary oxalate excretion in approximately one third of all patients with idiopathic calcium kidney stones.

Excessive vitamin C ingestion should be avoided because of the potential for its conversion into oxalate.

Probiotic therapy with bacteria  oxalobacter formigenes (these guys degrade oxalate to carbon dioxide and formate). and possibly Lactobacillus species may be useful to reduce urinary oxalate. O formigenes is found in 70-80% of all adults but is missing or depleted in more than 60% of patients with hyperoxaluria. Urinary oxalate excretion in patients with calcium oxalate stones who have lost their Oxalobacter colonies is typically 40% higher than in their counterparts with normal Oxalobacter levels. Has not been proven in studies so far and they don't know why.

Oxalate decarboxylase is an enzyme that degrades oxalate, and  Dr. Bird and her colleagues at the University of Florida created an orally-administered recombinant version of oxalate decarboxylase dubbed, A0 that decreases oxalate.

Glycosaminoglycan supplementation may be of some benefit in preventing calcium oxalate stone formation when other methods are insufficiently effective and stone production continues.

Although often recommended for urinary tract symptoms and urinary tract infections (UTIs), cranberry juice and tablets can increase urinary oxalate by as much as 40% or more because of their relatively high oxalate content and should be avoided.

Organic marine hydrocolloid charged with calcium and zinc was able to reduce urinary oxalate by an average of more than 20%. Stone production declined, and chronic diarrhea was improved in 70% of patients. While the study had a very limited number of patients, their clinical enteric hyperoxaluria situation was severe.

L -cysteine has shown beneficial activity by significantly lowering urinary oxalate and calcium levels while increasing urinary citrate and magnesium levels in an animal model.

Vitamin E supplementation has been suggested to be of some value in reducing calcium oxalate crystallization, but this has not yet been shown in studies.

Antioxidant therapy  may help limit calcium oxalate stone formation and protect proximal renal tubular cells that are very prone to injury from calcium oxalate crystal formation

Chondroitin sulfate given to  hyperoxaluric rats has been shown to prevent oxalate urinary stones in rats, but hyaluronic acid  did nothing. A human study also found that  chondroitin sulfate supplement might be beneficial in calcium oxalate urolithiasis prophylaxis for hyperoxaluric patients

Oxalate toxicity effects phase II genes of detox.  Especially effects sulfation.

Hello Xisca,

I should have added a link to an article that has some additional suggestions and that you might find interesting if you have not yet read it.   https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/articles-1/2015/11/13/oxalates-control-is-a-major-new-factor-in-autism-therapy   I realize that anyone else reading our posts might be confused about this being a mold posting, but seeing that we are talking about oxalates. I think I should mention it is because some fungi have been found to make oxalates and the discussion got a little focused on the oxalates which are largely made by the liver and somewhat by the diet, and now apparently we know that some fungi in our body that are pathogenic can also make oxalates. I think I should probably stop talking about oxalates intis post as it is taking us off the original subject. Sorry.

I missed your last 2 posts and no notice by mail!
Thanks you!
I have been dumping oxalate for 2 years... And I have Asperger's...

Sharol Tilgner wrote:Hello Xisca,

I should have added a link to an article that has some additional suggestions and that you might find interesting if you have not yet read it.   https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/articles-1/2015/11/13/oxalates-control-is-a-major-new-factor-in-autism-therapy   I realize that anyone else reading our posts might be confused about this being a mold posting, but seeing that we are talking about oxalates. I think I should mention it is because some fungi have been found to make oxalates and the discussion got a little focused on the oxalates which are largely made by the liver and somewhat by the diet, and now apparently we know that some fungi in our body that are pathogenic can also make oxalates. I think I should probably stop talking about oxalates in this post as it is taking us off the original subject. Sorry.

It was a good idea to see both of them together!
Also because I have learned that for health, instead of tackling 1 piece of a puzzle, it is better to carefully gather more pieces before doing anything.

Sharol Tilgner wrote:
   Eating A Lot of Vegetables, focus on cruciferous veggies (be aware that too many raw ones can decrease thyroid acitivty), also garlic, spices, berries - bright colored vegetables and fruit
 
...  along with a low-fat diet, and sufficient potassium citrate supplementation to maintain optimal urinary citrate levels.

Increased fluid intake and a low-fat low–meat-protein diet are also suggested.
Excessive meat-protein intake should be avoided because it has been shown to significantly increase urinary oxalate excretion in approximately one third of all patients with idiopathic calcium kidney stones.

Oxalate toxicity effects phase II genes of detox.  Especially effects sulfation.

Difficult to be low fat low protein on a near carnivore diet and having to stay off most carbs and fiber!

Animal products and fats are actually the only foods wihtout oxalate! So yes they can accelerate the excretion...

I use cruciferous and allium veggies almost only, and lemon.
I try to build up my sulfur, as "sulfur needs sulfur for assimilation". Yes my OAT had shown the phase II...
And actually I connected the dots as I have a craving for sulfur! Even for egg yolks...

Loads of great answers as usual.

I'm going to throw my two cents worth.  I know it's a shot in the dark, but would your house lends itself to a lime wash?  Inactive lime powder mixed with water makes a cheap paint. Lime has the benefit of being antibacterial, anti-fungal, absorbs moisture, insects don't like it much and it dries damp patches while letting the walls breathe.  What's not to like?

My house had a huge stone wall and when I tried to brush it and clean it (it was very dusty and full of cobwebs) I obviously disturbed some mould, I could smell the mouldiness for about a week, it made me cough and it tickled the back of my nose for days.  I bought a 25kg bag of lime powder for less than 20 euros and painted my wall.  It's a bit time consuming, what with all the nooks and crannies and the fact that you have to stir the "paint" fairly often.  You also need to wear gloves and when you mix it with water, a mask is highly recommended, but for me it was well worth it.  I have put 3 coats on and no sign of dampness, no smell of mould.

It used to be a very common thing in the UK. They called it distemper (nothing to do with canine distemper) or whitewash and they did it on a regular basis, usually in the spring, to sanitise the houses before chemicals products took over.

Like I've said, it's just a thought.