A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
"Them that don't know him don't like him and them that do sometimes don't know how to take him, he ain't wrong he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things to make you think he's right" - Ed Bruce (via Waylon and WIllie)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Judson Carroll wrote:I go by the Mollison answer, "The problem is the solution." A few won't do any harm and can even be beneficial. Too many can do damage and throw things out of whack so they don't have enough food and disease spreads. So, I manage the population so we can live in harmony. Beaver meat is better than grass fed beef!!!
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Be Content. And work for more time, not money. Money is inconsequential.
Ben House wrote:
Judson Carroll wrote:I go by the Mollison answer, "The problem is the solution." A few won't do any harm and can even be beneficial. Too many can do damage and throw things out of whack so they don't have enough food and disease spreads. So, I manage the population so we can live in harmony. Beaver meat is better than grass fed beef!!!
Aw you beat me to it, I was gonna say eat them if they get out of hand!
"Them that don't know him don't like him and them that do sometimes don't know how to take him, he ain't wrong he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things to make you think he's right" - Ed Bruce (via Waylon and WIllie)
At my age, Happy Hour is a nap.
"Them that don't know him don't like him and them that do sometimes don't know how to take him, he ain't wrong he's just different and his pride won't let him do the things to make you think he's right" - Ed Bruce (via Waylon and WIllie)
Water based plants and animals require less structure to hold them in shape (fish bones are much smaller than mammal bones as a ratio of mass for example). Moving suitable plants into the new water systems can generate large amounts of biomass which can be harvested sustainably for composting, animal feed (humans are animals), or products like bio-diesel. If your land gets run-off from poorly managed lands, the right combination of reeds and cattails can clean a lot of toxic stuff out of the water. These are just a few of the benefits that can result from beavers working with you.When you say that aquatic systems generate more protein, are you speaking to biomass in aquatic vs. terrestrial ecosystems or did I misunderstand your meaning?
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Dan Boone wrote:I don't know how long you and your kin expect to be on the land. But the longer-term patterns of beaver habitat are enormously beneficial. Not only do you have a pond/lake where none existed before -- which will attract all kinds of wildlife, much of it tasty -- but a beaver wetland builds amazing soil. At some point, the beavers run low on food and abandon their dams, or if they are there long enough, eutrophication sets in -- the process by which a small lake turns into a swamp and then a marsh and then a wet meadow and then finally the most productive grassland imaginable. Ultimately the beaver dam location will be dry land again, only now it will be the richest possible agricultural land with deep layers of thick black high-organics soil.
Some of my favorite childhood memories involve visits to beaver ponds. Sometimes just to watch the beavers and kits, sometimes to hunt waterfowl, sometimes to fish, sometimes to sit in a makeshift blind or on a fallen log in the bushes with a rifle and wait for (in my case) moose to come drink on the far side of the pond. I honestly can't imagine anything I'd rather do with land under my control than allow beaver to make a pond on it.
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"The rule of no realm is mine. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, these are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail in my task if anything that passes through this night can still grow fairer or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I too am a steward. Did you not know?" Gandolf
Marco Banks wrote:I'd say live-and-let-live. We need 100,000,000 more beavers out there on the land, sequestering water and rehydrading the landscape.
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I hate people who use big words just to make themselves look perspicacious.
Rio Rose wrote: I will need to look into to regs, but around here oversight is almost nonexistent and regulations light; it’s ones own integrity that dictates behavior. Both a blessing and a curse. On the blessing end, no one is declaring official wetlands on private property here, not by a long shot. On the curse end, some existing regs, like, say, hunting seasons, are taken by many as mere suggestions.
Rio Rose wrote: D Nikolls, hope you eventually find a better balance. How many beavers do you trap a year and what do you do with them? If you eat them, do you second the better than grass fed beef opinion?
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Rio Rose wrote:
This property is incredibly wild and tangled. It had some human intrusion at some point, though most of the evidence has long since been swallowed. We think it’s been maybe forty years, possibly more, since the last axe fell in here. However long it’s been, plants and trees have grown up to such a degree much of it is impenetrable, and everything could stand some serious thinning. Trees and shrubs are enormous, and many are dying back. There are chokecherry trees only the winged ones can harvest from, bigger than the guide books say they should get, and the lowest rose-hips dangle over my head. Quite frankly, we can use all the help we can get to get this tangle a bit more manageable, a whole other thread. Hopefully we can keep the beavers around for awhile in a mutually beneficial situation.
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I feel that the fire-mitigation benefits of beavers needs to be *much* better advertised. Too often people only see beavers "interfering" with their choice of land management without thinking about how to utilize the benefits the beavers choose to gift us! I'm not saying that humans don't have the right to try and "guide" the beavers to places we would prefer they build or "guide" them away from trees we'd prefer be left standing, but if humans can work with dogs and cats and cattle and poultry, we ought to be able to find a way to work with beavers.Rio Rose wrote:Added bonus: we had record-breaking heat and wildfire to our doorstep this year, and came as close as anyone can to having it all go up in smoke. The creek bottom and newly expanded wetland was the only damp place for miles, and I was extremely grateful for it. As were the multitude of bears and other fire refugees who made temporary camps there!
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