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I have a handful of ducks and chickens. The chickens are reds and reliably lay one clean brown egg per day.

The ducks were slower to begin laying.  One started laying just a week after we got rid of the males (a hen was killed before we got rid of them-- we didn't have a setup to keep ducks and chickens apart).
So we learned the female duck can keep semen around internally for a while, so we hoped that at least a couple of her clutch would be fertile.  Now we're a week overdue.  They're Muscovy and I read 37 days should be the max.  She started sitting Nov 13.  I'm afraid being 4 days overdue we have a patient mother that just needs to "let go".  

Question-- Should we intervene?  She still seems very committed, and neighbors tell us she'll figure it out herself soon enough.  Part of me still hopes one or two will hatch, but logically i assume, overdue means never-due.  If we intervene, will she get really depressed, or move on in a day or two?

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Two of the other 3 ducks eventually started laying.  One day I collected a really huge duck egg.  The next day I collected a really tiny one.  I hypothesize they came from the same duck(!).  Casually holding it up to the light, I thought the tiny one had no yolk.  I did a search and read about "fairy eggs" which are tiny and have no yolks.

But then we opened both eggs.  The tiny one did have a teeny tiny yolk! Though, it wasn't a neat ball (or broke when I broke the egg).
The huge one turned out to be an egg inside of an egg.  I mean, when I cracked it into a bowl, there was some albumen, but what dropped into the bowl was pretty clearly a non-hardened whole egg.  I tore that open and there was the normal amount of yolk and albumen inside that.  I looked that up too and it's also a thing.

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After I fished out the non-hard shell of the inner egg, we did go ahead and eat it.  But I'm wondering if it's technically sanitary.  How far did the soft egg get before it moved backwards and got encased in a second eggshell?  The reason I have doubts is because I've observed that, more recently, when our third duck finally started laying eggs, the first couple eggs seemed really dirty.  Maybe there is a better explanation for why-- like it being her first one, maybe she nosed it around a lot?  But it had a rough texture and the dirtiness seemed embedded in that.  A week later her daily eggs are much prettier.  I don't know enough about their anatomy to understand why eggs could come out dirty (and why the first several would be especially dirty and then later, not.). Any super cool knowledge out there about this?
 
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Today I collected another huge duck egg. I suspect it's from the 3rd duck that just started laying.

Bets on whether it's an egg inside an egg?
Bets on whether I'll collect a tiny egg tomorrow?
If I do collect a tiny egg tomorrow, I'd up my bet that the big egg is an egg inside an egg.
Not serious about betting, I have nothing to offer a winner, but I can't wait to see if my predictions are right.  FWIW I will try to find a platform to host photos so I can show the result(s).
 
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Still haven't checked the big egg, no sign of a tiny egg, but one of my ducks is either not laying, or found a great new secret spot.

We had a crazy hail storm the day I first posted about my duck eggs.  The ducks didn't seem to mind the storm, but coincidentally or not their laying pattern has changed.  Mainly, in that yesterday and today they boycotted "the favorite spot" in the coop.  (Up to 5 of my birds had been regularly waiting in line, squawking impatiently and eyes proverbially bulging, for their turn in their favorite stall).

Anyhow this morning I hunted around til I found one bird's new cache, 2 eggs in one spot.  I'm still "missing" two eggs from the last two days.  Wondering if it's connected somehow to the huge egg-layer.
 
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I Hannah

I have never had this happen with chicken, (I have never had experience with ducks.

I ask google who gave me this about chickens when I asked about ducks:

Though quite rare, it is well-known that occasionally a hen will lay an egg inside of an egg. The cause of this phenomenon is called a counter-peristalsis contraction and occurs while the hen is in the process of forming an egg in her oviduct.



 
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Hi Hannah,
I also only have experience with chickens. I had a few lay fairy eggs when they were getting started. I never had any double shelled eggs, but as you mentioned it can happen.

I will say I had issues with weak shells, spotting on the shells, wierd shaped eggs, and things like that. These things seemed to happen mostly when the chickens were stressed out and before I had supplemented calcium.

If these things happen a couple times when the birds are just starting to lay... I don't think it is a big deal. If they keep doing it, then I would try to reduce stress, increase nutrition (including calcium). And if that doesn't clear it up, I would not breed any of those birds and I would consider getting rid of them if I had them for laying birds. A few issues can be attributed to being a new layer or nutrition or stress. Lots means it is probably a genetic thing, and not something I would want to deal with.
 
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I think the duck that laid a huge egg hasn't laid one since.  And when I opened the huge egg, this time it was not an egg inside an egg, but just a classic double-yolker.  I have one duck that is limping, and I'm too ignorant to discern if it's anything more than some sort of mild injury, but then I wonder if it's related to my shortage of duck eggs.

When I started this thread I'm not sure what I was thinking that I posted it under Chickens.  Sorry! I don't plan on following up here much anyway now that my predictions are a moot point... a bit of 'que sera sera'
 
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Hannah, I feel this has been a great learning experience for you.

Chicken and probably ducks too do all kinds of weird things that may not have an answer other than what has been suggested.

It doesn't hurt to ask though because something might be a sign of trouble.

Enjoy those duck eggs.
 
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