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I found a good flush of Lactarius alnicola up the street the other day.
As usual when I find a good quantity of mushrooms, they are not considered edible. But in this case that's based on the taste, not toxicity, so I thought I'd play with them.
First I soaked them overnight to loosen and scrub off any dirt & leaves. They had dried a bit since the last rain, so it took a while; much of the detritus was strongly adhered. I used a toothbrush for some spots.
Once they were clean I tasted them. Yes, they were bitter and hot, but not terribly so. I was wondering whether people who like their food spicy might like them, but I found them more bitter than spicy.
I cut up the bigger ones to make them pack into jars more easily, and to get the dirt out of crevices.
I boiled them for twenty minutes in salted water.
I tasted them again. Not so bitter.
I sauteed one. Too salty to enjoy, still a little bitter.
I packed them in brine, some with bay leaves, juniper berries, allspice, shallots.
I didn't want to pack them in salt as seems to be traditional. They were already too salty, I wanted them to get sour but edible, not just be a condiment.
Some I put into the leftover brine from a string bean ferment. Some I added a little pickle brine to kickstart the ferment.
I tasted them every day. No longer bitter, starting to ferment. I was a little timid, eating only a piece or two at a time at first. After three or four days in my approximately 60 to 65° kitchen it was time to get them out of the crock and start refrigerating them.
The ones in the bean brine had a head start in the pre-existing culture, and are excellent. Tart, not too salty, nice meaty texture. I am eating several pieces at a time at this point, and starting to feed them to other people. I hope the others get equally good as they age.
The smallest caps I left whole and they are the most attractive ones, and also have a consistent texture. The bigger ones varied in age, and vary in texture, which I could pretty much tell they would when I was cutting them, but it got more distinct after I boiled them. I may just use young ones next time - if there is a next time. I don't find mushrooms I feel confident identifying very often.
Most of them are still way too salty. I'll have to try them with sour cream. I don't want to have to soak all the nutrients out in order to soak out the salt.
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I didn’t realize that you can ferment something that was cooked. I always thought that the food in question had to be raw, is this different with mushrooms?
 
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When we make beer we are fermenting with (sprouted and) cooked grain.
Cheese is fermented milk, often pasteurized (cooked) milk. I make yougurt all the time from pasterized milk.
Tempeh, miso, and nattoh are fermented from cooked beans.
I'm sure there are other examples but those are what I can think of now.
All these have starters added; cooked foods have no bacteria to start the ferment. That's easy enough to do.
 
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By the way, I got impatient and gave up on getting the mushrooms to ferment in brine. The taste was not improving fast enough.
I drained them and packed them in miso and sake and they are excellent.
Then I added some spring greens to the crock also, and they got tasty and tender and flavored the mushrooms a bit.
So now I guess I have a misodoko.
 
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Nick Mick wrote:I didn’t realize that you can ferment something that was cooked. I always thought that the food in question had to be raw, is this different with mushrooms?



I have read that both raw and cooked foods can be fermented.

Here is an article from Cultures for Health about fermenting store-bought stuff like ketchup:

https://culturesforhealth.com/blogs/learn/natural-fermentation-fermenting-already-prepared-foods

I could not find the post that I remember about fermenting store bought kepchup though I found these that might be of interest:

https://permies.com/t/52911/fermenting-store-bought-pickles

https://permies.com/t/37378/water-kefir-ferment-boiled-beans

https://permies.com/t/18250/Fermenting-Refried-Beans
 
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