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Is it true that toxins in soil won't be found in fruit?

 
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I've heard that any toxins or heavy metals in soil will be stored in the green tissue of the plants and not transfered to the fruit. How true is this?

Are there any studies or reliable articles that show if this is the case?

I live in NYC and want to plant raspberries, blueberries, currants, figs, hazelnuts, apples, and peaches. I want to know if I can plant them in the ground in my community garden.
 
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I don't have the educational background to be 100% sure I'm understanding the results, but there are several scientific papers published where the heavy metal content of produce in various countries is analyzed. Looking at some of the charts comparing the concentration of heavy metal in different types of produce, it looks like fruit tends to be a little lower than leafy vegetables, but not always.

What's going on with the soil at the community garden? If it is contaminated there are some steps that can sometimes be taken to clean the soils. The first one that comes to mind for heavy metals is purposely planting things like sunflowers to capture the toxins for disposal.
 
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What an interesting subject you have breeched here Eric. I have noticed more and more people becoming fearful of this sort of thing. So, let me give a little information about this subject.

Just about every University has had at least one study done on the effects of soil contamination and produce content of those contaminants. There is so much data now that it can be confusing, and much is indecipherable by laymen.

Heavy metals: Top concern is Lead and Arsenic. These are found just about anywhere there is or has been a; house, factory, Filling station, building, road, etc. These contaminants are persistent and are indeed taken into the edible parts of vegetables, berries, all tree born fruits.
The levels of toxins found in all of the produce that has been ever tested is low, BUT toxins are accumulative in the human and all animal bodies. This means the more of the contaminated fruit you eat, the higher your toxin levels will be.  This is of concern because they buildup inside your body, eventually they will reach harmful levels. (most likely years)

These two heavy metals are found in nature, and they can be found everywhere in nature. The grounds for concern are when we garden in areas that humans have increased the quantity of heavy metal toxins. In these places it is wisest to lay down a soil barrier and build raised garden beds, this will reduce or eliminate the probability of contamination of food grown in that space.

There are many other "heavy metals" that contaminate soils but these two are at the top of every science list published because they predominate the populated areas.

So, what are we to do if all we have for garden space is land that has high(er) concentrations of heavy metal contaminants?  
We can excavate the "bad soil" and replace it.
We can block it with a barrier and then garden above that barrier in raised beds.
We can turn the area into a "remediation" space with copious numbers of fungi, bacterium and flushing systems (sand pit into reed bed, into moss bed into mycelium rich wood chip bed into holding pond or garden bed.
The last option will take around one year to yield good results but, any mushrooms that come up there (ever) will need to be destroyed and never used in compost or anything else. ( trees with edible leaves (Moringa as example) fall into the never eat and destroy category )
This goes for any other item harvested from this area for a minimum time period of 5 years.
Even then the area would need to be tested for levels of contaminants prior to changing usage.

Is it Safe to eat the fruits, berries, vegetables grown in suspected contaminant containing soil?  Yes, to a point, one must remember that toxins that will come from such soil are accumulative in the human body, and any other animal body or product (eggs for example) of the animal.

If you sample plants growing in heavy metal contaminated soil the levels of toxin quantity are highest in the root/ stem system, then leaves, then vegetable or fruit the plant produces. In the case of root vegetables, the produce will have a high concentration level.

In the case you described, the prudent method would be to "container plant the bushes and trees".
Hope that helps your decision making process.

Redhawk
 
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Thanks, awesome info!
 
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Chemicals and metals can be absorbed, but bacteria and viruses specific to humans no. We have a septic tank that comes above ground slightly and I do not eat anything that touches the ground in the slope, but I will eat the elderberries that grow five feet above it.
 
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Does anyone have more info on this matter? I am growing a community garden in Jersey City, NJ. I want to do a food forest garden in a public park. Any suggestions on how I can it do safely?
 
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Danrley, welcome to Permies! I'd say Dr. Redhawk's post above (https://permies.com/t/62679/true-toxins-soil-won-fruit#534857) gives excellent advice on how to do it safely.
 
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Leigh Tate wrote:Danrley, welcome to Permies! I'd say Dr. Redhawk's post above (https://permies.com/t/62679/true-toxins-soil-won-fruit#534857) gives excellent advice on how to do it safely.


There has been progress made in "phytoremediation" in the last 7 years, particularly work done on British industrial sites. Certain plants are inclined to suck up certain chemicals more quickly than just any plant. I remember that sunflowers have an affinity to lead. If sunflowers are grown in lead contaminated soil, and then the sunflowers are dried and then disposed of properly, supposedly, this will quickly lower lead levels of heavily contaminated sites to a more reasonable level.

However, as Dr. Redhawk suggests, what is "back ground" level, needs to be considered. Most humans can gradually eliminate toxins from their bodies, however this varies considerably and is affected by many factors. There are people who need to avoid every speck of heavy metals and people who seem to be able to tolerate higher levels. A particular individual just needs to make sure their input levels don't exceed their ability to sequester or eliminate it and since symptoms may take years to show up, growing in soil you know is healthy reduces risk.

For an example of this, research hemochromatosis. Simplified, some humans don't excrete iron and if they don't loose blood regularly, it builds up, and if it gets too high, it can damage important organs. The treatment is having blood removed from their bodies on a regular schedule until the iron levels are no longer dangerous. Someone I know had blood removed weekly, then monthly, then every 6 months for years. But I also know at least two women who are anemic - not enough iron - which is why we need to look at individuals as well as "averages".
 
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The other side of the coin that has had progress in the last seven years is understanding of bioavailability. Lots of “bad” chemicals and heavy metals are not absorbed by plants if the pH is right or there is enough of healthy micronutrients or lack of co-factors.  The only one I remember off the top of my head is plants (and people) absorb more lead in the presence of fluoride.
 
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Just to make things even more confusing, some of the things being called toxins in this thread may actually be essential micronutrients.

Even arsenic, the poison of choice for many fictional murderers, is now close to qualifying as a micronutrient in animals. It seems that arsenic has a role in the metabolism of the amino acid methionine and in gene silencing (Uthus, 2003). Other work suggests that it has a positive interaction with the more important micronutrient selenium (Zeng et al, 2005).


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2246629/
 
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John Wolfram wrote:Just to make things even more confusing, some of the things being called toxins in this thread may actually be essential micronutrients.


Hubby always likes the quote, "The dose makes the poison!"  

Vitamin A is essential, but too much is toxic.
 
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