Russ Rob

From old documents, there are several correlations on mixing the 2 circuits together. Today's writing is to inform about these and that User jcbx6 on the old web forum  had converted his 4 cyl Volvo car , as running on water in carburetor using the Cap 70 wiring circuit. Some old car engines can adjust the timing and use carbs. The June 2008 conversion of Briggs 18HP riding mower engine on water, needed timing change to late setting as ATDC to about minus 34 degrees. The mower engine converted to water had factory fixed timing and needed a method . The STRESS field applied to ignition cable to spark plug provides this needed timing adjustment. There is also found, small magnetic required field at spark plug tips. Many guys have tried and failed to convert used mower engines unsuccessfully with just S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly. The original data supplied by Georgia web forum  was lacking, probably proprietary process secret. Final report was never issued. Many guys hurt with burns and exploding batteries, not knowing what they were doing. Yahoo Groups Waterfuel1978 had shut down in Dec 2019.  Someone needs to check the Computer Internet Wayback Machine Process. Thousands of back technical messages are there.

Dave And Five Document:
Known- S1r coils (Electromagnet) as Main #1 coil is the ignition high volts 5t and one turn solid 14 gauge bare large wind , the electromagnet with core is coil #3,  2nd coil is the 7 turns 90 degrees over 5T, and no core. #3rd hooks to 2nd coil.  He apologizes to Nathren Senior for telling him about finding about the added circuit to his S1R triple coils. INFERRED.  He disconnected the 4th coil from base ground, and fired regular spark with magnetron on mower  engine. ( Some not highly knowledgeable people use slang words in describing things and makes it harder for others to understand their writings. An engine is not a motor, an inductor is not a transformer, an ignition transformer is not a trigger coil.) He put parts inside a deli tub just like Nathren did, next to Briggs engine.  He then noticed like I did of the crossover leakage spark to the low volts side of about -140volts. I measured mine on meter and with graduated neon bulbs. He hooked back up the positive 12 v on #3rd coil and touched the 4th coil back to ground. He then found a discharge of 40KV on meter. He wondered why. The plastic tub added capacitance that had aided some volts to the output. *********The previous regular discharge of the first accessory spark gap, also CHARGES up the series PF capacitors. They had a RESIDUAL charge left in them that fired the primary side to ground , and allowing the firing of secondary of the Cap 70 step up transformer. - He called it #4 coil.  Inductor over wrapped with coil now becomes step up transformer! Just like Nathren's tech people  did it. The spark plug at end of circuit showed #40KV  on his test meter. S1R coils high volts line should be in-between secondary and top of spark plug. He then noted that the 2nd and 3rd coil sizes could be increased. (Inferred,- To lower input current) He says " I think the inductor and trigger coil are the key."  A lot of people since June 2008 have missed this when reading the Dave And Five document from way back when.




S1r main coil 13 turns wire is over steel core long screw 3/16" . It's end joint is connected to 7 turns wire  wrapped 90 degrees over the high volts line with it's "form" of 5 turns wider #12 gauge . Core extends into form with no core under the 7 turns. The 2 fields act upon the cable line to extend fired timing , so as water vapor is acted on at lower end of piston stroke. The one I made has red, white, and blue wires. The 5 turns and 13 turns are both wound counterclockwise. The 2 power flows go through in opposite directions. It depend on engine as positive or negative ground. So the S1R9A9M9 Electromagnet provides the needed magnetic field for both retarding timing and field at Plug tips in combustion chamber. 7 amps pulsing DC is required through the 13+7 turns and load resistor. I use PWM circuit with small module, transistor on heatsink, 100W power resistor,  for digital reading of frequency adjustment and duty cycle. (about 34% duty cycle. The engine dual alternators ran about 25 cycles per second based on low 700 RPM. The electromagnet can get same magnetic field with 1/2 current applied and double number of turns in same length.  The module allows to dial in the 7 Amps current on a visual separate amp gauge in series. The high volts flow does show minute sideways leakage capacitance voltage into the low volts wires of about 140volts. I changed the original design bare copper stiff high volts wire to white china high voltage cable of 10kv rating, and wrapped 5 T on short PVC tube, held with tape and tie wraps. . This stops the loss of leakage volts. The magnetic field will still go through the 5 T and one turn line under the 13 turns.

The separate Cap70 circuit was originally used to replace soldered joints of diodes string that were overheating, melting solder. Cap70 was doing Conversions to water on motorcycles. The transformer was to produce ISOLATION, like the diodes. . I am currently bench testing the hand wound transformer- of 1millihenry Dayton Inductor as wrapped with about 40 turns #20 gauge magnet wire as primary. The transformer  fires from PF capacitors on primary side, same time as adjustable accessory gap fires. The secondary side was used to fire spark plug. S1r coils on secondary side using internal cable hooked in series with spark plug. The extra PARTS are inside the plastic deli tub hanging on side of Briggs engine. The extension cord is changed into one very long ground wire for the tub, by bridging the end plug.  Others tried this on car + Briggs,  but with ADDING the S1r coils assembly on mower engine . It's in the tub also. He got 40KV output at Briggs spark plug with wide air gap!. The conversion to water requires about 24-30KV applied. The regular Magnetron on Briggs engine fires 6-15KV usual. The S1R coils allows the needed timing change. The higher voltage applied to the water vapor , changes, at lower piston stroke to form overcharged electrical ions of same polarity that REPELL each other FAST!. The pressure against piston runs engine. The 12 magnets powered alternators can supply the pulsed DC for the electromagnet. Max 8amps pulsing type using the dual type alternators. Alternators are changeable under the flywheel.  I was the original one who offered the info about there being an alternator running the show on Briggs engine! The single magnet on outside of flywheel runs the Magnetron. The battery temporarily runs the starter motor.

All that's left is the start mode. Alternators off during low cranking RPM. 12volts DC also on separate wire of terminal of starter going to Relay separate contacts. TEMPORARY vibrator Relay with capacitor, uses  other set of contacts 12v opens + closes for pulsed DC. The 110v AC Relay has high resistance ohms internal coil. It connects to the Tab shut down terminal on magnetron. The on+off minus 130 volts runs the relay to vibrate AT ENGINE TIMING. One way diode in line stops power from alternator going back to starter. Battery disconnected. Briggs engine runs. See You tube  (2) videos S1R9A9M9 .

The earlier Georgia work shop Car conversions were using 400Watt Inverter box, diodes, special dual inductors relay with center diode, and zero ohms spark plugs. I had believed there was Radiant Energy created by high volts hitting the diode cathode in vacuum chamber that increased efficiency of engine and forming Hydrogen fuel with spark plug electrolysis. They also recirculated some exhaust  water that increased efficiency, and smoothed out surges, with the inherent NITROGEN content from the EGR system. The better HEI ignitions on cars provide needed 24kv without Cap70 circuit.

The Georgia car conversions of 2005-2008 were of Hydrogen generation and water vapor, while the You tube 2008  2 successful demonstrations 18HP mower engine used generated water vapor ions pressure.

From original 2008 documents, the S1r electromagnet field in tub, forces the ignition cable to slow and pulse forward, greatly increasing the CURRENT through water vapor. Another wire coil is added to Briggs Magnetron ignition for way higher voltage that ionizes the vapor ions at same polarity to repulse, and form useful pressure, running engine on water in carburetor ! Minimum 24kv. So now we know! New revelation never heard of before! Shop final report was never released.  S1R9A9M9 You tube videos and the now shut down web site. The shop all previous engine conversions in Georgia were of Hydrogen gas as from spark plug electrolysis. The Briggs mower engine conversion of 2008 is now known as of from different method.

The 2nd S1R9A9M9 Transformer/Electromagnet (Not Shown) 2008

That S1R9A9M9 coil assembly was the first made and tested with inverter box. Not compatible as having interference. The second one built, as source of extra current was used in deli tub, but found to form required magnetic field also. The first was discarded . Successful engine running s  of engine on water vapor pressure were shown. Actual new hand wound transformer/ electromagnet not shown. Step up transformer made from modified quality Kawasaki ATV  KLF185 ignition coil. Wire  removed to get 2 piece core set. Set fits with other parts in plastic deli tub.  Mower engine too low high volts. Tesla Patented circuit Inductor added to magneto to raise up voltage 24-30ktz. The videos about just 1st coils probably wrong, as about 2% efficient.  Take apart video was wrong coil probably on purpose.  Timing from Ignition tab terminal used for proper ignition and extension to late timing. Variable resistor vary s magnetic field, over cable, and vary s timing.  Can superimpose small current from wound secondary coils as actual main line ignition. Full loop circuit from extra ground wire through series diodes bank, back to wires joint .  Dual alternators output run only with engine at idle speed. Battery temporary only for starter + and removed. Wire on starter terminal transfers 12v temporally to conversion circuit. Relay high ohms coil operates about 15 cycles, from tab terminal to open + close extra contacts to get square waves on/off DC from battery. as power source, then alternators  half wave DC one diode. Talking about repulsion of over charged high voltage ions water vapor pushing down piston.

I made up another time line sheet regarding the S1R coils, but you are not that interested. Just suffice that it also allows for the ORIGINAL connected S1r coils and new coils same time in deli tub. The first was removed as not needed any more SAME TIME, as transformer has the required magnetic field also. There is also now the reason for the cut off stub frayed wires on the S1r coils. That point is the 12v source power for the 2nd transformer input. Then, it was cut with dull knife, not proper tool, so as copper stranded wires are shown. The web forum showed only the 1st coils assembly. The laminations core type with also full circle loop magnetics is superior as about 70-85% efficiency. Ai said the other was 2% efficient.

You know the old saying, - go back to the source, the horse's mouth. I had revelation today regarding this 2008 conversion. The Nathren 2 page write up as poorly written, can be taken in small sections for "decoding". The untrained man describes things as he sees it, not in proper technical words. I'm pretty sure I got it now.

The earlier car engine conversions with water in carburetors, were all done the same way. Lower quality Inverter box power, and "special" relays containing inductors and diode in SEALED chamber. The distributors were readjusted for late timing , about -34 degrees,use with Hydrogen gas, along with water vapor. They all used 2 car batteries and the alternator charged up both with engine running. I would consider that self running.

It always occurred to me that the mower engine was done same way. Inverter was concealed under cement block and s1r coils assembly in the plastic tub. The 2 alternators on board with output about 15 amps was to run the whole thing as self running. You said to use Grok AI for questions. I found out the Briggs alternator specs is rated 15A at very high rpm at idle speed for current output. It's really only about total 8 amps at 14v, at lowered idle rpm. This value is only good for just running the electromagnet / Megatran. (not Inverter too). Therefore, not self-sustaining when using Inverter, as also large battery would be needed buried under cement block, along with Inverter box of decent power.

Three references were found regarding greatly increased high voltage output of Briggs Magnetron, way higher than car engines coils. That's the Tesla Patent circuit added as Inductor to Briggs engine. The web forum had mentioned an inductor taken from relay to use on a project. The web forum talked about Georgia technicians doing bench tests on high volts and just water vapor.  

So here goes, - I wondered about where the coil turns came from out of the blue. These are Fibonacci numbers sequence. Ratio 1 : 1.618. So my new coil will use 5,8,13, 55/or 144turns. The Triple coils is now a QUAD Step up voltage transformer and electromagnet same time. The core is full circle flux. There is extra wire from ground through protection diodes to point of Hi V entrance. This now forms a secondary useful winding. The step up volts ratio also allows small superimposed current onto the ignition line. "Must overcharge the ions of water vapor in same polarity to put in repulsion PRESSURE for piston." The voltage level secondary has to be higher than the bank voltage loss of diodes to keep them ON. Nathren called it a transformer coil. (but not a step down volts transformer) There  are other small parts in the plastic deli tub hanging on side of engine. This engine is now, probably self sustaining, not having to power large inverter box.

The 150 volts comes from the step up turns ratio on same electromagnet, as extra winding. This means the original shown photo on graph paper was not one used on 2 successful videos of 2008 .


The Briggs alternators provide 8 amps PULSING DC with 2 lines together through 1 diode, low frequency around 50 cycles. In his report, Nathren called this "coming in at a waveform " to the Triple coils. He said no associated Inverter used, as the 60 cycles causes interference with the alternator output and Electromagnet bogs down, won't run.

We know the car conversion needed over 100 volts to overcome the high resistance of the tiny electrodes in water solution. This new CHANGED design by Georgia shop technicians is only looking for high volts, not current to make hydrogen gas. Completely different methodology for mower engine than the CARS. Piezo spray of fine water vapor particles is probably warranted for the carb.
There were back in 2008 -2011, a huge number of people wanting to know how this engine ran on water. I was one of them, hanging on details and doing research. Of course, an adjustable curved aluminum 1/8" plate with inside cut out curve, and drilled holes, could be machined for moving timing of mounted Briggs Magnetron. Then, the Inverter box can be implemented. The series Inductors provided the required magnetism for plug tips. (learn something every day)

Bench test for just S1r coils is digital display module adjustable for freq + duty cycle, to Mosfet on heat sink, to metal power resistor load through the coils. Meter watched to set amps on the gauge, while pushing set buttons. Magnetic field of  max 8 amps worth, can be reduced in current by doubling, tripling the wire turns, and still get the same magnetic field. This can free up amps  for another use, such as small inverter, like the car cigarette light plug in inverter 110v AC. . Pulsing DC is similar to the same output from lawn mower alternators. Pulsing will run a transformer, not straight DC. .

Please write back so I know you read my write up.

Video 1 only SPECULATION.  ;  tank disconnected from carb. Carb has gasoline. Engine removed from lawn mower. Chassis white plug connector end open. For carb to work , the solenoid valve at bottom of carb requires 12v on gray wire. Looks like Shut down black tab wire probably disconnected from Magnetron and hooked to small 12v hidden battery in hole of cement block.  The black and other gray wires on left side engine hook to separate holes of white connector. Jumper wire put on white plug. Carb solenoid now on, opens hole for gas to go through to engine. Person knows engine will run, but NOW, has no method  to shut down later. Loose extra wire is placed on spark plug top so as flopping end in air. That end is to touch casting to shut down engine. In the Smack video, there is no black wire near the Magnetron ignition coil where it should be. . There should be no reason to disconnect the original shut down method and change method, as ignition switch is not there. . At idle speed, the alternator to dc, has 12v available. The large main battery was disconnected at idle speed, during the successful test of engine running on "water".

Video 2 Speculation only:  No carb float bowl. Fuel has to enter top of carb. Plastic bottle needs, solution of gasoline, or 70% alcohol, or screen is placed on carb top with Carbide stones. Just water drops added will form acetylene gas vapors and instantly start engine. ( I already tried these) This does not prove engine not running on Hydrogen gas from spark plug electrolysis, and water vapor pressure, at lower power level.

You Tube Videos 1 + 2  S1R9A9M9 Georgia, 2008.

Water powered 1 cyl riding mower engine has alternators, and electric start starter. You tube 2008 2 videos by S1R9A9M9 . About 7 peak amps current (not average amps,) at about 15 % duty cycle , and requiring about 110v DC to zero ohms resistance spark plug . Water flow slowly into carb, with choke. MUST BE APPLIED THROUGH CARB VACUUM TO WORK. Georgia technicians converted several car engines back in 2005-2008. Spark plug electrolysis, without separate cell. There is also some water vapor creating pressure to push piston , of polarized charge ions separating from each other during piston movement, along with small amount Hydrogen gas. . Timing must be changed ATDC to about -34 degrees. Must be magnetic field applied to plug cable, and electromagnet with current .Web site shut down. I copied tech data so as could review later. Nathren got himself in trouble with other's accidents of reproducing, and won't talk any more. He either used Inverter box with series inductors + diodes, or just hand wound electromagnet with separate hand wound step up pulse transformer for the 110v. Alternators together with one diode for pulsing on+ off DC as about 8 amps dc at idle speed after starting. To start, without alternator on, vibrating relay used to get vibrating contacts for the 12v battery. After the Briggs 18hp engine running, him and son disconnected the car battery, so as self running on the 12 magnets alternators. Flywheel goes around 360 degrees. On time POWER only about 15-34% of the time. Electromagnet called the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly. See photos on internet. The shop technicians did not publish report, since the car engines were slightly rough running, and the special commercial relays were no longer available to purchase. I had figured out , they were using the wrong inverter type box. There are 3 types of inverters to change to DC. Square wave, modified square wave, and pure sine wave. The modified one does not deal properly with INDUCTORS , as inside their relay. They should have used the more expensive pure sine wave box inverter. Alliexpress china is cheaper than Ebay/ Amazon.

Superimposed Voltage / Current passes Through!

Pulsing DC 40 volts, 15 amps, about 60 cycles, passing through 13Turn coil over steel core, going to separate load resistor, that has one line wire UNDERNEATH coil also, that is from different circuit of higher voltage, milliamps pulsing, at lower 15 cycles. This 2nd wire acts as a full loop circuit flux secondary side of STEP DOWN transformer of 13 to 1 ratio. Am I to assume this "automatic" secondary #12 gauge single line side has somewhat of an increased current passing through it also , to it's separate low ohms load resistance? (S1R9A9M9 Electromagnet as also being transformer means same time by induction )

S1R data notes to think about , adjustment to Megatran. Final purpose as to see Briggs engine converted with mineral water in carb.
Recently going over Nathren's actual statements , as to figure what he was referring to, as really valid. Most likely found it. Never thought of it before.
First,- car conversions used Inverter box and "special Relays" + some Hydrogen gas , requiring 110v DC.

Second, -Mower engine conversion used Configuration of triple wires assembly with other small parts. Reference was for generation of piston pressure from increased ignition volts along with increase of ignition current, and repulsion of polarized water vapor ions, moving engine piston. Was said no Inverter nor special relay.

Mention of Tesla US Patent circuit to Magnetron primary increase back EMF volts to secondary side. Large inductor + capacitor added to circuit. This then validates the Dave+5 bench test done earlier for huge ignition high volts.

2008 Briggs engine video 1 had no fuel from carb float bowl since lower 12v solenoid valve shuts off orifice. The end wire connector not hooked up. Video 2 had no float bowl .

Original 4000ohms spark plug WAS changed to QC12YC as 125 ohm, that can be changed to zero ohms.

Several documents papers told of water vapor with repulsion ions. This is similar to Browns gas, - also called electrified water.

Statement that inverter was not used, and the shorted, broken green box inverter was left in videos as a distraction.

The strange missing ground connection had been found , as the plug was shorted on brown extension cord, so as a very long wire connects plastic deli tub to spark plug ground casting.

Nathren said the S1r coils was easier to put together with three wires instead of 2. This is where I lost the train of thought. He said the coils does work!. Some engines are wired differently. That's why 3 wires. If engine hook up one way doesn't work, just switch the wires around. (I forgot about that) THAT MEANS POLARITY REFERENCE. This is why it's important. The engine will start and run. There was no exact wording on everything. Today's notes may be greatly enlightening. Engines fire from positive ground or positive to negative ground. Nathren said circuit will work ok for both types. That's what the wires JOINT was for. Take apart and switch around. He was trying to get additive SUPERIMPOSED polarity to SECONDARY side instead of subtraction of opposite polarities. (I had always thought about opposite polarities).

Nathren said the S1R coils was a different kind of step up transformer for current.  He meant a magnetic field electromagnet and step down transformer same time for extra current added to the high voltage.  Step up current about 1:13 or less , due to inefficiencies. This is where he got the notion of 100 times increase in current from small milliamps ignition.

These parts in tub along with the other 2 general relays for the STARTING MODE only, probably underneath plastic engine cowl.  12v DC relay coil receives 12v from starter terminal , when positive battery cable manually touches starter terminal. Relay clicks on , then allowing 2nd 110v AC relay to click on for contacts connected to Magnetron side Tab terminal . Useful negative 130 volts pulsing available. I have tested this a few times with small loads and leds. The high OHMS of coil does not interfere with the shut down terminal shutting off engine. Since this terminal on Magnetron was being used, a separate wire was added in both videos, flopping in the air, to spark plug top as engine shut down means when touching casting ground. The on + off contacts runs the electromagnet/ transformer.  DC square waves of about 15-34% duty cycle on time of flywheel.

Now there is a separate wire from ground at spark plug going up to series 1kv diodes 6 A as FR607 or black block 15kv diode. .75 amp and has surge high current capability at low duty cycle. The diode with proper cathode facing means, clips onto the ignition cable with small alligator clip at point of upper end near the 13 turns coil. This provides a full loop circuit secondary side for a transformer, through spark plug,  using the one line under the steel core. The CHANGING magnetic field of core and primary side allows a secondary current to be induced in the high volts line, if polarities are in alignment. The diode effectively blocks the ignition from bypassing the spark plug. This seems to match the wording of Nathren, to get engine to run on water.
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S1R9A9M9 Reference Time Data Given For Enlightenment

​Important TIME LINE data here today, for the You tube videos of the Briggs engine that ran on water in Georgia.

June 24, 2008 summer. Successful 2 video demonstrations of 18HP Briggs mower engine running on water in carb. Son removes engine from shop and puts it in back yard with father on cement block with large holes for main shaft and other hidden items.. The shop technicians had reconfigured the water fuel system , not Nathren father who is not tech minded. ( from original web forum data sheets)

August 2008,  two months later. The back porch scene Georgia, Nathren father, failed attempt to run same engine on water in carb, with JUST S1R9A9M9 coils assembly and resistance lightbulb load on battery. Helper holds camera . PROBABLY NOT the son , also Nathren, since he was a technician who worked on designs in work shop with the 2 other technicians. Son would have known about all parts used on Briggs engine to run it properly.

"The Smack" two videos were on the later December 2010 at Nathren's property. He got donations for charges incurred for the 1000mile trip. Just another young mechanic guy who thinks he knows everything. Several common tests were not done with the Briggs engine at that time. Engine again, not running on water. Son not present.

February 7, 2011.  Nathren senior attempts to disassemble engine and discovers rust from engine setting too long , from 2008. Piston cylinder scored and valve(s) stuck.  This proves engine would not run from Aug 2008 + Dec2010.

Conclusion : Briggs engine not proven could not run on Hydrogen gas derived from spark plug electrolysis and water vapor pressure from repulsion of ions. Original extra parts such as Inverter + special Relay, alternators hook up, were NOT put back on engine for proper RETESTING, and would not have worked any way due to NO available engine COMPRESSION.