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Tree Identification - Poplar or Maple? or Neither?

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Hello all!

I'm having some trouble identifying this tree, I recently purchased the property 2 months ago and haven't been able to figure out what tree this is.
I live in Pahrump,NV which is zone 8 if that helps at all. The underside of the leaf is white and very soft. Also the branches are kind white as well.

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Jd Gonzalez

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Populus Alba or silver poplar?

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Sorry JD, the photo show some species of Acer (maple) I am fairly certain...

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That's what I thought but the white underside is "un maple like".

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here is an image of white poplar....
the shape of the tree reminds me of them....very pretty in a breeze, we had them as a privacy screen when we lived on a paved road for awhile.

and another...looks like they vary some............

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Tray Snow

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All the jagged edges is what throws me off. I've been searching tons of pitcures trying to match which tree has the closest resemblance but the jagged edges are killing me lol.

The white poplar seems like it's the closest match.

I was thinking, since poplars let off their own rooting hormones maybe I should just put a few cuttings from the tree in a bucket with water and put some cuttings from another tree to see if they root?

I think you might be right Judith.

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It can be a challenge to do tree ID from photos on the net, yet I still suspect this is a Silver Maple (Acer saccharinum) variety of some type, as they posses the very silvery coloration just as in the photo, on the underside of their leaves. The shape of the young tree, and its branch formation also suggest this ssp type.

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It can be a challenge to do tree ID from photos on the net,

I know, Jay, but it is so much fun

Welcome to permies, Tray...good to have you here!

silver maple leaves......

I think I see a stump in your picture... Do you think this is a re sprouted tree from one that was removed?

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Tray Snow

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Because the new growth isn't surrounding the stump, I dont think so but I dont have enough knowledge to say that it isnt. I honestly think that stump is from a pine tree. It's the most common tree people plant around here.

I can get some better pictures tomorrow morning of the branches and leaves.

The sinus on the silver maple just seem to deep in comparison to the leaves on my tree. Also the lopes don't seem to match as well either. Not doubting your word Jay.

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Lance Kleckner

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Yeah, that's not a maple, its probably a Bolleana Poplar, a common columnar form of a white poplar. These trees sucker some, so not surprising if the stump was of this tree.

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Thank you all so much for your help. I'm really excited and hope that is a poplar, I was going to buy come cuttings from online, but now I can make my own! This tree seems like the perfect tree for a privacy wall as well, which is another thing i was looking for in a tree. Tall and skin but can be coppice as needed.

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Judith Browning

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One more thought...the leaves on maples are opposite and poplar are alternate. Also, if it is maple, you might find their seed pods from last fall...those little 'helicopter' thingys

that spin as they fall.

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Sorry Lance, I could be incorrect, yet I am going to play my Botany Major and 40 years on and off as a working Arborist that it is an Acer species.

We are both running off just photos, that is a given, yet the leaves in Tray's photo do not present with the common pubescent hair structures (either lanate, puberulent or canescent) found on most Populus ssp, yet these leaves in the photo do seem to present with glabrous affect common to the Acer.

Both Acer and Populus have the same type of growth patterns found in the tree in the photo, so without closer examination with some of our observations, Tray won't be able to key this out and tell us for certain.

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One more thought...the leaves on maples are opposite and poplar are alternate.

A biggy in the observation of which...thanks for that Judith!...

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That tree really looks to have alternate, not opposite, growth pattern from what I can see in the photo - this is one Arborist that says probably a poplar, definitely not a maple.

Can you get a better picture of a healthy twig/small branch that clearly shows the leaf/bud pattern? We'd be able to eliminate a lot of guessing with that.

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