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permaculture spreads worldwide with tens of thousands of people involved in their own way, many of the people live simple lives, possible totally self sufficient on their land, with little input from outside sources but with little output aswell.

when it comes to crunch time, permies have no real power base, many permies may not even earn much of an income or have any money in the bank,
their assets are their knowledge, the people around them and their land.
they can shift boulders on their own properties but don't have the power to move a stone in the big wide world.

if you bring every permie together the asset no doubt is people power but mostly people with little money, little assets so little power.

I think permaculture needs a gold base, something to hang ones hat on in times when all the talk and people power in the world does jack.
sometimes you need to fight fire with fire, critical times that I think permies can't tread because they have no financial balls.

Someone needs to set gold base up.
instead of trying to make others clean up their act, why not just buy the problems and fix it ourselves?

for example, was just looking at random properties for sale around the world,
a 10 acre property in california for $25,000 .. perfect! http://www.ruralpropertyfinder.com/6133/
gold base buys the property by dividing it into 500 x $50 shares which any member can buy, any qty.

nearby share holders to that property would become care takers, they could grow produce and sell it and keep the proceeds, in return they could cover the land taxes ect with some of the excess money, like a lease but just to cover fees.

here's another piece of land my side of town, and i'm sure there's reasonably good value property where every member lives..
http://www.realestate.com.au/7363331
320 acres plus 150 acre of crown land adjoining it for $60,000
1200 x $50 shares and it's ours!

and on and on it could go, with gold base being like the center of it, even though gold base doesn't have actuall wealth, it's just as powerfull because it would not only represent a heap of permies but also a significant ownership of the world we live in, they have no choice but to listen then.



 
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Hi Gourd,

Sorry - maybe this is just a term I'm not familiar with, but what's a "gold base"? I thought this thread was going to be something to do with a gold backed currency.

Awesome to see another Victorian around here - even if you are a 'Westie'
 
                                
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oh gold base is the foundation, or permaculture as a whole, just with bigger balls.

heh, well when i said my side of town I actually meant it on a global scale so
it's worse Phil, i'm actually in melbourne
 
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Ah, gotcha. Very abstract!

I used to live in Melbourne - I recommend if you want to move out, stay close to 'regional fast rail' towns. Ballarat/Bendigo is a hell of a lot cheaper than down Gippsland way!
 
                                
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gippsland is a big area but yeah it seems over priced around there.
I don't use trains but ballarat - bendigo is where i'll be at for sure, I don't like the heat so it suits me and my plans with olives, persimmon & truffle oaks so it's a bonus being relatively cheap.
 
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I don't use the trains as much as I probably should, but my thinking was it is at least an option.  Whilst I am trying to progress past from being a corporate whore, I wanted to keep that as a viable option without relying on driving.  I'm not sure what "peak oil" is going to look like, but it seems that at some point fuel costs will make "commuting" over 150km in car prohibitively expensive.  I could cycle from my farm to the station (although in my current fitness state, it would probably kill me ), and then catch the train from there to Melbourne.

Speaking of overpriced, I know someone that bought 385ac with a fibro shack on it near where I live for just shy of $500,000 - all bar 20 acres of it was covenanted native forest (eg: no touchy touchy), and they thought it was a compete bargain.
 
                                
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well depends on how they valued it i guess, it's still 385 acres that they can explore, live on ect, and it does have 20ac to plant out which is still a decent size to play with.
if they came from melb' then they probably sold their 400m2 property for twice as much and can't believe they have so much land and so much spare money.


 
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gourd wrote:

Someone needs to set gold base up.



Hey, I bet you're someone, since you know what "gold base" is.

Go for it!

 
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