ok. another what is this tree? sorry guys. when I had a book (Ithink it got loaned out end never returened) I was confused more often than not and not certain about what I found even after going through the steps to identification.
anyway if someone knows what this is right off the bat or a can at least toss some ideas out there so I am not sorting through hundreds of leaf shapes and such that would be awesome.
the little 'fruits' (or soon to be hard nut shells ??) are about the size of an extra large grape right now. as I approached it I thought persimmon. but the fruits don't look right (don't see any blossom remains) and the leaves are much more serrated than any persimmon I have seen. the growth habit is completely different also. all the persimmon I have seen have been very quick to reach up through the undergrowth and develop a crown of foliage and fruit. this one is small and emerging through vines and brush as much out as it is up. so I think (just from my experience which is hardly wide ranging) I have ruled persimmon out.
