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Pamela Melcher
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Hi, Geoff,

Chemtrails are unfortunately a reality in the US, and in places the spraying is very heavy, particularly in Hawaii. Friends have said that it is very heavy in rural Oregon, especially Southern Oregon. I live in Portland and I really wonder what they are doing on cloudy days.

There is aluminum and barium, among other things, in chemtrails, and lots of spraying makes the soil alkaline.

Plus, they are breeding GMO's that are tolerant of aluminum....ominous, not good implications.

What do you suggest as ways to help our plants stay healthy in these circumstances?

Thank you very much.

I actually am optimistic to the core, despite these gruesome realities I am addressing in my questions to you. It is actually a measure of my deep respect and admiration for you that I am asking you the tough questions that I can't find good answers to.

Happiness, Health, Peace and Abundance for All!

Many Thanks and Many Blessings,
Pamela Melcher
 
Paulo Silva
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Just curious, how do you tell one chemtrail from one contrail?
 
Pamela Melcher
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Contrails disappear in about a half an hour, while chemtrails persist for a long time, sometimes for many hours.

There are sometimes criss-crossed chemtrails.

There is a lot of solid info about chemtrails in the movie, What in the World Are They Spraying?

There is a new movie being released today called Why in the World Are They Spraying?

May all beings be healthy.

Pamela Melcher
 
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Pamela Melcher wrote:Contrails disappear in about a half an hour, while chemtrails persist for a long time, sometimes for many hours.

There are sometimes criss-crossed chemtrails.


That doesn't sound like a good way to be sure, have you considered that cloud formation is a complex issue and people do go to universities to study it?

I'm no expert on clouds but temperature and moisture on the air do have part on cloud formation, there are hot days when plains don't even produce contrails and other days when clouds are everywhere and plains do produce contrails, winds also seem to make it even more strange.

Pamela Melcher wrote:
There is a lot of solid info about chemtrails in the movie, What in the World Are They Spraying?

There is a new movie being released today called Why in the World Are They Spraying?

May all beings be healthy.

Pamela Melcher


I've seen movies about Batman, Superman and many conspiracy theories but they don't make it a reality.

Another thing that always bothers me is why would some company that transports people by plane would carry a huge load of chemic components to spray them, that doesn't seem very profitable.

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Pamela Melcher
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You can get much better answers from watching the movie I recommend, "Why in the World Are They Spraying." It is very solid.

I really recommend that you seriously look into this before you dismiss it.

I am not an expert who can answer your questions. I am a reasonable person who demands reasonable proof and I think this is a big problem.

Some planes only spray chemtrails. What is the payoff? is an important question.

There are many whistleblowers.

That is the best I can do to answer your questions. The movie has a lot of information and is well researched and presented.

I wish so much that this were nothing at all.

May all beings be healthy.

Pamela Melcher
 
Pamela Melcher
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You can watch the movie, "Chemtrails: What in the World Are They Spraying?" here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5TFTkblKQ

May all Beings be Happy.

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P Thickens
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Conspiracy theories are fun. I like the ones that show proof of X and then conflate it to say that Y is real. I watched the chemtrails movies a while ago, and am watching the one linked again, and see the same thing now that I did then: there is no proof that chemtrails exist. Nothing. In fact if you look at what goes onto and off of the tarmac at any given airport you'll not find chemicals for chemtrails, and there's no place to put them on any commercial airliner anyway.

Unless there's new proof? The movies are well-edited clips of "he said, she said", and the angsty-music background does have a good beat, but... nothing substantial. Even Terra Preta, which is very poorly understood, is better supported with sound science than Chemtrails.
 
Pamela Melcher
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I encourage everyone to decide for themselves.

I am not going to debate this with you. The film is the best resource I can give you.

Dr. Gabriel Cousens, M.D., world renowned doctor, is growing the food for his world renowned healing center in greenhouses to keep off the radiation and chemtrails. Here is the website for his healing center:

www.treeoflife.nu

May All Beings Be Healthy.

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Pamela Melcher
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For purposes of information, not something I want to debate about, here is another source of information about chemtrails:

http://www.thrivemovement.com/human-geo-engineering-chemtrails-and-haarp#ftn1

The City of Santa Cruz, California successfully banned chemtrails over their city.

Health and happiness for all.

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Jim Williams
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If you put little tinfoil hats on all your plants, that should protect them from the chemtrails.
 
Ben Stallings
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Pamela Melcher wrote:The City of Santa Cruz, California successfully banned chemtrails over their city.


It sounds like you just answered your original question, Pamela.
 
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the trails in the sky are strange that's for sure. how did Santa Cruz stop chemtrails? who on earth did they petition for that one?
 
Pamela Melcher
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Kelson,

I do not know how Santa Cruz stopped the chemtrails.

I heard that they did from a friend who is hard to fool and usually fact checks, and I accepted it as fact.

Even if they were all stopped today, we still have a problem. They have deposited large amounts of aluminum and barium and strontium that has fallen in the rain onto our soil. In places they have raised the pH toward, or into, alkalinity, by one number on the pH scale, and the numbers represent a tenfold increase in alkalinity.

The spraying has been going on since 1999.

Monsanto, who stated the goal in 1999 (there's that number again...) to be the sole producer of the world's seeds, has brought out genetically modified crops which can grow in such conditions.

Connecting the dots, we have problems.

May all Beings be Well.

Pamela Melcher
 
Kelson Water
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i've heard about people growing some kind of cabbage to extract heavy metals out of the soil. i've also eaten cilantro and oil together. the cilantro/oil combination supposdly helps to remove heavy metals from our bodies. also had an idea about hoop house green houses made of flexible bamboo, ropes and waxed fabric (instead of plastic) wish there was a sketchpad function on here. o well.
 
Pamela Melcher
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Thank you, Kelson,

I am sure that some plants do remove or transmute heavy metals. I am open to learning about specifically which ones.

Thanks for the info that one needs fat with the cilantro. I have been eating cilantro to remove heavy metals and radioactivity from Fukushima, but did not know about the oil part.

I am growing food in greenhouses due to the chemtrails and radiation. I would LOVE to have a greenhouse without the plastic. I am using plastic now, and wish I was not. I cannot afford a glass greenhouse at this time.

Looking forward to the day when there is enough strength among those who want to heal and nurture the planet that we are the ones to decide on policy - and chemtrails and nuclear anything are consigned to history.

Health for All!

Pamela Melcher
 
Lance Wildwood
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P Thickens wrote:Conspiracy theories are fun. I like the ones that show proof of X and then conflate it to say that Y is real. I watched the chemtrails movies a while ago, and am watching the one linked again, and see the same thing now that I did then: there is no proof that chemtrails exist. Nothing. In fact if you look at what goes onto and off of the tarmac at any given airport you'll not find chemicals for chemtrails, and there's no place to put them on any commercial airliner anyway.

Unless there's new proof? The movies are well-edited clips of "he said, she said", and the angsty-music background does have a good beat, but... nothing substantial. Even Terra Preta, which is very poorly understood, is better supported with sound science than Chemtrails.


Howdy: The "proof" I needed, was after having been an avid skywatcher for my entire life, the 'trails' behind jets flying over the Salish Sea suddenly, between 1997 and 1998 changed dramatically. I'm now 44 you can do the math. You are aware that the very term "conspiracy theory" is sort of odd? If the 'mainstream' does not be-LIE-ve it then it is a 'conspiracy theory'. What is the 4th (I think, I'm not American) most common charge in court...'conspiracy'. Anyhow...I trust this woman with impeccable credentials...and my own observations.
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/about-rosalind-peterson

And of course...the grand daddy of conspiracy 'theorists'.



As for protecting plants from them...whew. When we did a sampling of surface water before a heavy spray day then after a heavy spray day the barium was 1000x times higher, as with the aluminum. Cloches, greenhouses (which may be the ONLY way to grow where I live if Fukushima gets any worse) and from what I have read...Biodynamics. Which I do not really get (though my children have some Waldorf schooling). If the laws were different we could mass cultivate cannabis for a few years while growing under poly until the soils were cleaned up a bit then compost those plants (eating the seeds if they proved clean) in dead open pit mines...

Wonderful reactions to the so called 'AGW'...spraying aerosols and here in British Columbia at least...an idiotic 'carbon tax'.

Cheers.
And Oswald killed Kennedly...really, he did.
 
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I'll gladly go under the title of conspiracy theorist. The people that usually throw that out in conversation are the ones that do not like anything that may make their rosy world seem dim. The film clearly shows geoengineers discussing the practice and debating the potential harmful effects of it. It's not a theory at this point...they are fully admitting that they are doing it, why they are doing it and also admitting they simply do not care about any potential, long range effects on the humans/creatures/soils/water below the atmosphere. This is a familiar refrain from the drug companies, Monsanto, the FDA, the CDC and any other number of government controlled entities.

It's the government, folks....who in the world, at this point in our history, would ever trust our government to do what is right for the people or the Earth?

It always amuses me when some "tin-foil wearing conspiracy theorist" breaks the story on these things, is accused of insanity, and then fades quietly into the woodwork when it then becomes just general, accepted knowledge. All the sudden, it isn't so crazy after all, but who remembers the tin foil guy? No one...until the next time he points out the obvious... that isn't so obvious to the masses of sheeple.

BTW, no good conspiracy theorist would go near a tinfoil hat...those have aluminum in them.

In answer to the OP, I'd say there really isn't any way to avoid these and the effects they are having on the soil and water. You could try to grow in a greenhouse but the build up of the chemicals will eventually invade even that area via the air, the water source you are using, and the soils you are using.
 
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Jay Green wrote:No one...until the next time he points out the obvious... that isn't so obvious to the masses of sheeple.


Since you said "sheeple," I can't resist sharing this cartoon: http://xkcd.com/1013/
 
            
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build HK's! They will save us from chem/con/vapourtrails by improving our breathing zone air. they can also be easily transformed to anti-tank barricades to keep the sheeple at bay.

cheers.
 
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Science on contrails , debunking chemtrails / the premise/claims of the film "What in the World are they Spraying?"

http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/


 
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[size=18] FIRST, My personal boundary: In this posting, I am merely passing on information.

I will personally not become engaged in a discussion about these possibilities because everyone has their own free will and their own opinion.

I AM MERELY passing on links to possible options for us. And I will not say what I believe about all this because once again, everyone has their own free will. And what you choose to believe is your personal boundary.

What I will say is that we 'human bodied souls' have immense power within us, which is helping to shift the energies on this planet where we reside. Utilizing the gifts of Permaculture are some of these ways achieving many great results.

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That being said, there is a website called "educate yourself", which has all manner of information about many subjects, including Chem Trails and how to clear them.

http://educate-yourself.org/ (Home Page)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/greywolffeelingforms15mar06.shtml (using healing thought forms)

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ (Chem Trails Pages)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sylphandchemtrailindex.shtml (Many articles about Sylphs, the nature spirits which help to clear and proted the air element around Earth)

There are youtube videos which show sylphs in action in the skies.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sylphs+and+chemtrails&oq=sylphs+and+chemtrails&gs_l=youtube.12...0.0.0.1632.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac.

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/kimshomerun15apr05.shtml (shares how a person asked for help to transmute CT's)

Youtube videos for: chemtrail buster

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chemtrail+buster&oq=chemtrail+buster&gs_l=youtube.12..0.402.918.0.10024.2.2.0.0.0.0.71.133.2.2.0...0.0...1ac.1.L6Uxi_yLIwI


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I am going to insert below some quotes from the website.

Here is a quote from the first page about Chem Trails and Sylphs:

This quote is from the owner of the website:

"I've done a number of radio interviews with Don Nicoloff on the subject of chemtrails and Sylphs. The three radio show listed here will give you a good idea on the overall agenda of chemtrail spraying and how they are mitigated throuigh the use of orgone generators and focused intent. Air elemental beings identified by the ancient Greeks (& Paracelsus) as Sylphs are stimulated and energized by orgone generators and will literally vacumn up and transmute chemtrails into harmless substances. I realize this is hard to believe by the average person who is unaware of these etheric beings, but the evidence can be seen right over your head if you know what to look for"


Next quote further down the same page:

"April 2005: The massive appearance of Sylphs in 2004 (see next paragraph below- August 2004) and their neutralization/transmutation of chemtrails into non-toxic elements was a huge leap forward in neutralizing the diabolical chemtrail genocide aerosol spraying operation, but apparently we have progressed to yet another level. People are now reporting the ability to clear the skies of chemtrails by use of the mind alone to obtain assistance from unseen helpers (Sylphs and others) and do the job for you based on your focused intention. It's really amazing to see this development. I first posted an article in 2002 by Rich Work about using the mind and the the power of prayer to disperse chemtrails, and now we see this ability coming into reality with many people. You can read more at these links:" (links are on that page)



"If you're just finding out about chemtrails, you should read the earlier articles to understand the full extent and gravity of the chemtrail undertaking, but bear in mind that we have turned a corner on combating chemtrails and have now thrown a huge spanner wrench into the Dark Side's finely oiled genocide machine. If you want to hasten the demise of the chemtrail spraying program, please take the time to read about orgone generators, chembusters, and the use of your mind-with focused intent- to rid the sky of these poisons."



Below is a search which shows websites for reading about the airlines' involvement with Chem Trails. The first post is from a mechanic who works for an airline and what he found in one of his company's planes.

https://s4-us4.startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&pid=201bd34fdf26995af4a11fbf08981d43[/size]
 
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Thank you, Gail.

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No matter what my opinion is on,say, gravity, when I let go of something, it goes down, not up. Gravity does not care how I feel.

If Edison had decided, screw it, I feel like light bulbs should be made of concrete covered in dark chocolate, well, he would have been in the dark so to speak.

The last refuge of pseudoscience is "feelings" and "opinions".



Five myths of "Chemtrails":

Myth #1 – Normal contrails don’t last very long, but “chemtrails” last for hours and sometimes spread out.
Myth #2 - Contrails have been observed to persist and spread when the humidity was too low, so they must be “chemtrails”
Myth #3 – Long lasting contrails have appeared in “parallel lines”, “grid” and “X” formations, which are not normal, so must be “chemtrails.
Myth #4 – A bill to ban chemtrails was introduced into congress by Dennis Kucinich, but quickly had chemtrails edited out.
Myth #5 – Public Law 105-85 gives the military permission to experiment with chemical and biological weapons on humans, without their consent

...and, the clear, concise, SCIENTIFIC fact-based rebuttals of the aforementioned myths:

http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/





 
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