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Indeterminate vs determinate tomato genetics?

 
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I can't find a source with a plain explanation so here goes!
I'm considering just doing a tomato grex next year. When mixing tomatoes and varieties is there simple dominant/recessive for determinate and indeterminate?
I'm kind of thinking to just do indeterminate varieties but there are some cool traits in varieties that are determinate.

Resources very welcome also!
 
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Indeterminate tomatoes have stems that end in new leaves and just keep growing.

Determinate tomatoes have stems that end in flowers and eventually ripen all their fruits.

I used to only grow indeterminate tomatoes. However when I started my own tomato breeding six years ago I started experimenting with both.

I now have both wonderful varieties bred by other people with both traits and my own tomatoes.

It is a simple dominant / recessive situation with indeterminate dominant.

There is a third way called dwarf and at least some dwarf varieties keep their fruit off the ground without staking for me.

The most important thing for starting a tomato breeding grex in my opinion is to start with hybrids and or include at least one variety that crosses readily because a part of the flower called the stigma / style sticks out and or make deliberate crosses using the many videos available on youtube or other online tutorials.

I've occasionally been able to find a blooming sungold F1 or Sunsugar F1 plant for sale at a local retailer and checked to find the stigma / style to be sticking out before even buying it. That could be a very good place to start such a grex because dehybridization projects using Sungold have produced numerous successful open pollinated versions for other breeders.

Other seed for varieties with stigmas that tend to stick out a bit is available including Exserted Tiger, Exserted Orange, Big Hill, and the promiscuous tomato project from Experimental Farm Network and Snake River Seeds.
 
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Thank you for your post.  I am attempting a grex this year for the first time.  It will contain Exserted Tiger and Exserted Orange as well as two F1 hybrids.  Glad to know I'm on the right track.
 
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Thanks! I'm only doing roma (determinate) and San Marzano (indeterminate) this year. I was hoping to order a bunch of different varieties from baker creek and start next year. I'll have to look at the sites again and look for exserted varieties.
 
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