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Need help with a couple IDs

 
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Plants I have here would seem to include hogpeanut, Spikenard & Goldenseal. I am not 100%, as I have no experience with these plants, & wouldn't mind a second opinion.
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Hogpeanut?
Hogpeanut?
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Spikenard?
Spikenard?
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Goldenseal?
Goldenseal?
 
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i’m going with no for the first two and maybe for the goldenseal.

the first one looks to me like a young spicebush. crush and smell a leaf to check. hog peanut should have three-piece compound leaves, right? that’s not what i’m seeing there.

spikenard is generally strongly bipinnate. some younger leaves may just be singly pinnate like the one you show, but there should at least be some teeth on the leaflets, and those look pretty smooth.

goldenseal, that’s at least the right general shape for the leaf, but you’d generally expect the leaf to be more wrinkled this soon after emergence…but a young plant, small leaf…maybe.

keep an eye on them, they’ll give more clues as they go.

edit: now that i look again, there are some hints of teeth on the pinnate one, but they still seem the wrong shape for spikenard to my eye.
 
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Any ideas as to what the second one is, if it's not spikenard? I've never seen anything that looks like it before. Closest are the Sumacs, Trees of Heaven, Butternut & various unidentified Ash trees, but it doesn't really look like any of those whatsoever. Besides, I'm getting pretty good at telling young Sumacs & Trees of Heaven apart at this point.
 
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can you get pics of the stem, or more of the plant in general? is the leafing pattern opposite or alternating?
 
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I'll try to later. It's raining right now.
 
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1) Northern spicebush (Lindera benzoin)

2) Green ash (Fraxinus pennsylvanica)

3) Wild geranium (Geranium maculatum)
 
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OK, further pics on the spikenard that is likely not a spikenard.
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