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has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.
 
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Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  
 
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Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...
 
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Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

love the charcoal  idea!
 
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David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...


Well... As you will figure out if you go the gasifier route it's a lot easier to charge a battery and run a load off of it then to just power it from the gasifier. There is a lot of fluctuation when you gasify so the battery acts as a buffer for you. It's a fun endeavour worth investigating. I've moved on myself to concentrate more on solar. And no a 1 kW load on a battery is not that much. Easier to charge  a larger battery over a few hours and discharge it then trying to run a generator continuously. Just my experience.
 
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Christopher Clide wrote: battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...



As a new person on here, you will quickly find out that there is an amazing amount of intelligent people on here, and while at first you may discount ideas as being outlandish, that is the genius of the site overall. It is such a broad-reaching think-tank, that slowly you begin to realize; "it's not others that are thinking outlandishly, but rather that your own thinking has been limited".

At work we use batteries wired in series to get 134 volts, and charged at 2.3 amps to get extended run times in emergency situations.

 
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David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...


Well... As you will figure out if you go the gasifier route it's a lot easier to charge a battery and run a load off of it then to just power it from the gasifier. There is a lot of fluctuation when you gasify so the battery acts as a buffer for you. It's a fun endeavour worth investigating. I've moved on myself to concentrate more on solar. And no a 1 kW load on a battery is not that much. Easier to charge  a larger battery over a few hours and discharge it then trying to run a generator continuously. Just my experience.

 what kinda battery are we talking?  Running 1k watts on a battery is gonna deplete even the largest battery  real quick!  Even a 200 amp hour lithium battery gonna deplete just a few hours, but yes I always have the generac  charging batteries  while running.
 
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Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...


Well... As you will figure out if you go the gasifier route it's a lot easier to charge a battery and run a load off of it then to just power it from the gasifier. There is a lot of fluctuation when you gasify so the battery acts as a buffer for you. It's a fun endeavour worth investigating. I've moved on myself to concentrate more on solar. And no a 1 kW load on a battery is not that much. Easier to charge  a larger battery over a few hours and discharge it then trying to run a generator continuously. Just my experience.

 what kinda battery are we talking?  Running 1k watts on a battery is gonna deplete even the largest battery  real quick!  Even a 200 amp hour lithium battery gonna deplete just a few hours, but yes I always have the generac  charging batteries  while running.

I get your perspective though the battery acts as the charge controller to stop any kind of fluctuations  =)
 
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Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...


Well... As you will figure out if you go the gasifier route it's a lot easier to charge a battery and run a load off of it then to just power it from the gasifier. There is a lot of fluctuation when you gasify so the battery acts as a buffer for you. It's a fun endeavour worth investigating. I've moved on myself to concentrate more on solar. And no a 1 kW load on a battery is not that much. Easier to charge  a larger battery over a few hours and discharge it then trying to run a generator continuously. Just my experience.

 what kinda battery are we talking?  Running 1k watts on a battery is gonna deplete even the largest battery  real quick!  Even a 200 amp hour lithium battery gonna deplete just a few hours, but yes I always have the generac  charging batteries  while running.


It really depends on how long you would be running the lights for. Usually you would be boosting light levels for a few hours pre sunrise to a few hours post sunset. With a setup like that you could choose say 4, 6V L16 sized battery for a rough storage of 9-10 kwHrs total, with a  useable of say 4-5 kWhrs at a 50 percent discharge rate. You might want to do a gasifier run say only once a day I would choose at night to add heat to the greenhouse before it gets cold. If you were charging at 2kw and using 1 kWHr for your lights you could do a gasifier run and end up recharged for the morning. Having played that game I can tell you its not as easy as you think. When the price of solar panels went from $5 per watt to $0.50 per watt a lot of the energy alternatives started to not be worth it anymore financially speaking. They still make a lot of sense if its about more than money for you so don't take it as a knocking your idea. Eventually I ran out of free time for projects.

Cheers,
 
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David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...


Well... As you will figure out if you go the gasifier route it's a lot easier to charge a battery and run a load off of it then to just power it from the gasifier. There is a lot of fluctuation when you gasify so the battery acts as a buffer for you. It's a fun endeavour worth investigating. I've moved on myself to concentrate more on solar. And no a 1 kW load on a battery is not that much. Easier to charge  a larger battery over a few hours and discharge it then trying to run a generator continuously. Just my experience.

 what kinda battery are we talking?  Running 1k watts on a battery is gonna deplete even the largest battery  real quick!  Even a 200 amp hour lithium battery gonna deplete just a few hours, but yes I always have the generac  charging batteries  while running.


It really depends on how long you would be running the lights for. Usually you would be boosting light levels for a few hours pre sunrise to a few hours post sunset. With a setup like that you could choose say 4, 6V L16 sized battery for a rough storage of 9-10 kwHrs total, with a  useable of say 4-5 kWhrs at a 50 percent discharge rate. You might want to do a gasifier run say only once a day I would choose at night to add heat to the greenhouse before it gets cold. If you were charging at 2kw and using 1 kWHr for your lights you could do a gasifier run and end up recharged for the morning. Having played that game I can tell you its not as easy as you think. When the price of solar panels went from $5 per watt to $0.50 per watt a lot of the energy alternatives started to not be worth it anymore financially speaking. They still make a lot of sense if its about more than money for you so don't take it as a knocking your idea. Eventually I ran out of free time for projects.

Cheers,


Yes solar is probably the best way to go for sure, I run solar now. I would not be considering gasification if I did not have an excessive amount of wood to be burned with over 100 acres of trees I'm in the right situation to build some kind of gasification to add to the geothermal  greenhouse . 10kw storage is quiet expensive.. not to mention you need  a significant  solar array.  
I think you would need something even larger than a 12 volt system, as most 12 volt controllers only accept about a thousand Watts incoming solar.
And I know what you're saying about taking it as knocking my idea because gasification sounds like you'd need a huge abundance of fuel.
 
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Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:

David Baillie wrote:

Christopher Clide wrote:has anyone Tried this?  
I have my   6 foot deep by 10 wide Trech, covered By  Hoops  catching the geothermal heat!
 now i am trying to Run my 2000Watt Generator Of  Wood gasification to run 100 10Watt Led bulbs to give it that extra few hours of lumens to push an earlier generation ..
Using  2 rocket stoves In the Winter and early early season to bump the Temp for faster germination.

For a 1 kW growlight setup you would be best to incorporate a battery element that gets charged up by the gasification generator. You would probably go the charcoal route for a small system not raw wood. You could make the charcoal in your stove to feed the gasifier. Check out www.driveonwood.com in the small engine section for lots of builds doing something similar.
Cheers,  

battery? For 1k watts?!? Bro you would have to have insane battery's to even power for 1 hour off a battery...


Well... As you will figure out if you go the gasifier route it's a lot easier to charge a battery and run a load off of it then to just power it from the gasifier. There is a lot of fluctuation when you gasify so the battery acts as a buffer for you. It's a fun endeavour worth investigating. I've moved on myself to concentrate more on solar. And no a 1 kW load on a battery is not that much. Easier to charge  a larger battery over a few hours and discharge it then trying to run a generator continuously. Just my experience.

 what kinda battery are we talking?  Running 1k watts on a battery is gonna deplete even the largest battery  real quick!  Even a 200 amp hour lithium battery gonna deplete just a few hours, but yes I always have the generac  charging batteries  while running.


It really depends on how long you would be running the lights for. Usually you would be boosting light levels for a few hours pre sunrise to a few hours post sunset. With a setup like that you could choose say 4, 6V L16 sized battery for a rough storage of 9-10 kwHrs total, with a  useable of say 4-5 kWhrs at a 50 percent discharge rate. You might want to do a gasifier run say only once a day I would choose at night to add heat to the greenhouse before it gets cold. If you were charging at 2kw and using 1 kWHr for your lights you could do a gasifier run and end up recharged for the morning. Having played that game I can tell you its not as easy as you think. When the price of solar panels went from $5 per watt to $0.50 per watt a lot of the energy alternatives started to not be worth it anymore financially speaking. They still make a lot of sense if its about more than money for you so don't take it as a knocking your idea. Eventually I ran out of free time for projects.

Cheers,


Yes solar is probably the best way to go for sure, I run solar now. I would not be considering gasification if I did not have an excessive amount of wood to be burned with over 100 acres of trees I'm in the right situation to build some kind of gasification to add to the geothermal  greenhouse . 10kw storage is quiet expensive.. not to mention you need  a significant  solar array.  
I think you would need something even larger than a 12 volt system, as most 12 volt controllers only accept about a thousand Watts incoming solar.
And I know what you're saying about taking it as knocking my idea because gasification sounds like you'd need a huge abundance of fuel.

if you have the wood and the time you are the right type of person for gasification. If you dig deep into the small engine side you will find kristijan posts. He is in Slovenia and has a series of videos about his wood heated charcoal making walipini greenhouse. No lights just heat. He runs a commuter car on charcoal as well. He would be one of the ones to emulate. I ran my tractor and had a series of generator projects on charcoal. I eventually came to prefer DC charging on charcoal.  If you want to scale any of your project I would suggest you move on from the 12 volts it just tops out at about a kw before problems emerge. Cable costs extra equipment, mediocre build quality aimed at consumers etc.
Kristijan has moved on to a new property but here are the links:
A link to his greenhouse thread  http://forum.driveonwood.com/t/wood-gas-heated-greenhouse/3203
the most recent video
 
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