• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Nancy Reading
  • Carla Burke
  • r ranson
  • John F Dean
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
stewards:
  • Jay Angler
  • Liv Smith
  • Leigh Tate
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Maieshe Ljin

Are Stainless Steel Fasteners for Douglas Fir Cladding/Framing necessary?

 
Posts: 1
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi all,
I'm currently in the research phase of designing a timber framed barn using Douglas Fir for structural members as well as external cladding (wany edge).

I did search the permies forums to see if this has come up before, but found nothing, so please forgive me if I failed to use the right search terms.

Everything I read online from mainstream sources here insists that you must ONLY use stainless steel fasteners, particularly when attaching cladding boards to the frame.  Reasoning being that apparently the properties of Douglas Fir timber will cause mild steel/zinc plated/galvanised metals to corrode, leading to ugly staining as well as weakening of any metal fasteners used.

I have a problem with this uniformly parroted consensus - ie the significant number of North American buildings 150+ years old framed and/or clad in Douglas Fir that are still standing today in excellent structural and aesthetic condition... Stainless Steel as we know it today of course didn't really exist until the 20th Century!

I'm writing from the UK where timber framed (or clad) buildings are largely seen as a fairly radical and unconventional experiment...  In a lot of cases timber framed houses are barely (or not at all!) mortgageable by mainstream banks due to concerns about longevity and durability.  Ignorance of the irony of this attitude is widespread... in a country where some of the oldest buildings still standing are 1000 year old half-timbered medieval constructions.

Please can some of those on the other side of the pond to me with an actual wealth of experience and knowledge on this topic school me on the facts of this matter?

Will mild steel/zinc plated/galvanised fasteners cause problems when used with Douglas Fir, or are people simply wrongly lumping Douglas Fir in the same basket as tannin-rich timbers such as oak?  

Does Douglas Fir cause a cosmetic reaction with ferrous metals that is harmless to both the fastener and the timber or is there some non-cosmetic merit to the advice to stick with Stainless Steel only for metals in contact with this timber species?

Many thanks in advance.
 
master steward
Posts: 6968
Location: southern Illinois, USA
2536
goat cat dog chicken composting toilet food preservation pig bee solar wood heat homestead
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi Harry,

Welcome to Permies.

In 1982 I built a cabin in MN with Douglas Fir rafter, floor, and ceiling joists.  The last I checked, it was still standing.  I used 16d common nails.
 
Holly was looking awful sad. I gave her this tiny ad to cheer her up!
rocket mass heater risers: materials and design eBook
https://permies.com/w/risers-ebook
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic