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Dillon Stanger
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Hello,

We are two McGill students who are passionate about natural building and permaculture. Dillon is an engineering student designing a natural house composed of cob-straw bale hybrid walls, sod roof, compressed earth foundations, earthen floor and rocket mass stove heater system (and much more). Marina is a recent graduate of the environment and development program at McGill.

We have plans to start a permaculture farm once we both graduate (for now, only one of us has graduated). We would love to gain some hands-on (as opposed to theoretical) knowledge by lending a hand (or all four!) with any natural construction projects you may have this year. Feel free to email me at dillon.mark.stanger((AT))gmail((DOT))com.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Marina and Dillon

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You can take a look at Dillon's facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Natural-Building-and-Permaculture-De-engineering/382993305119208
 
Jay C. White Cloud
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Hi Dillion,

Some questions that may help me (and other readers) of your request.

1. Where are you willing to travel to?

2. Do you expect to be paid?

3. Do you expect to pay for the educational experiences or barter for the work you will do?

4. What crafts are you most interested in, (e.g. timber framing, cobb, straw bale, plasters, indigenous life skills, permaculture methods, etc.?)

5. How long is your commitment?

Regards,

jay
 
Dillon Stanger
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Jay C. White Cloud wrote:Hi Dillion,

Some questions that may help me (and other readers) of your request.
-These are good questions

1. Where are you willing to travel to?
-Nearly anywhere a bus or plan could get to in US or Canada

2. Do you expect to be paid?
-I say free help in the post, but if those hosting us feel it fair to pay us then I would have no scruples. Money should not be a problem.

3. Do you expect to pay for the educational experiences or barter for the work you will do?
-We are not willing to pay for the work we do. We are exchanging free labor for accommodation (which can be a tent in the backyard) and the educational experience.

4. What crafts are you most interested in, (e.g. timber framing, cobb, straw bale, plasters, indigenous life skills, permaculture methods, etc.?)
-We am most interested in: Cob, straw bale, rammed earth foundations, plastering, clay or rammed earth floors, green roofs, reciprocal framing, RMSH construction

5. How long is your commitment?
-Preferably the month of June. BUT we would like to to discuss that by phone since our plans can change based on the needs of those who host us.

Regards,

jay
 
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Hi Dillion,

O.k., now I have some things to focus on.

Define your definition of RMSH construction.

Your requirements are simple and should not be a problem to meet, in general. However, I will share, that for 6 month to a year long program commitment, you can usually get this kind of barter of "labor for experience," but anything under 6 months and you are looking at paying not only for the educational experience, but for everything else such as travel, room and board. A one month program of intense training and experience takes much out an instructor that feels the obligation to teach you as much as you can learn in that time period. If you just want to be someplace that has projects going on, that may be of interest to you, and they have the space to have you present, that is going to be a little more challenging to find.

To ground this for you, as a teacher of different Guild and Indigenous arts, and crafts, I must have an apprentice around for 6 months minimum just to begin to understand the basics concepts of an architectural style, and if I am doing a project, they must already have a solid foundation in the general application of what ever discipline I am teaching at the time, otherwise they aren't an asset of extra labor hands, but a distraction I must stop for to teach, and mentor.

I am not trying to discourage you, but, perhaps, give you some insight on how possibly to vet any offers that come your way, and what would be the best choice for you. Of all the things you shared, that are of interest, pick one or possible two, and focus on them. One month is barely going to give you a "taste," of anyone of those disciplines, if not done as an intensive training program, which of course will cost money. You will basically be around watching when you can, and the rest of the time doing the "grunt jobs," that need to be done, but not really learning much else. This is not always the case, but from what your time and monitory investment can be, that is more likely the case. Perhaps finding a low budget project, that needs extra help, such as a cob house will come your way, or a start- permaculture project. I wish all the luck, and if you need assistance vetting offers. Just post them here and I or someone will respond.

Regards,

jay
 
Carly Murawsky
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Hi Dillion,

My husband and I are in northern Florida and are planning on building a cob home. We are actually starting the excavation in two days. At first, we'll be doing a round building with a reciprocal roof. It'll just be a living space, with electricity from solar panels. The kitchen and bathroom will be added later (we'll have an outdoor kitchen and bathroom at first). We're definitely not experts by ANY means (this is our first cob home) so this wouldn't be a school or training program. We'll be working all through May and June, taking July off to visit my family in NYS. To be honest, we are pretty poor currently and could not afford to pay you, feed you, or lodge you. We are building on a friend's property and they might agree to letting you camp there. Do you have cobbing experience? I doubt you'd be interested in coming all the way down from Canada but figured I'd put it out there.

Carly
 
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Welcome to Permies, Marina and Dillon...Your offer sounds great! I wish my husband and I had some of those projects happening here.
Good luck!
 
Dillon Stanger
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Jay C. White Cloud wrote:Hi Dillion,

O.k., now I have some things to focus on.

Define your definition of RMSH construction.
I plan to construct a RMSH as part of a subfloor heating system similar to the one Erica posted on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lUCOowOmJ8. If someone is involved in a similar project, whether it be a construction of a cob oven or a rocket stove, we would be interested. Tell me if you need any more information.
Your requirements are simple and should not be a problem to meet, in general. However, I will share, that for 6 month to a year long program commitment, you can usually get this kind of barter of "labor for experience," but anything under 6 months and you are looking at paying not only for the educational experience, but for everything else such as travel, room and board. A one month program of intense training and experience takes much out an instructor that feels the obligation to teach you as much as you can learn in that time period. If you just want to be someplace that has projects going on, that may be of interest to you, and they have the space to have you present, that is going to be a little more challenging to find.
This is a good point. However, I am experienced in natural building. I have been researching natural building for 100s of hours for over a year. I have read a large chunk of natural building literature and have a strong grasp as to how natural buildings are made. I have prepared designs for drainage, frost protected shallow footings and their insulation, cob straw-bale hybrid wall, green roof. I am simply missing the hands on application of my knowledge. We have the base knowledge necessary to be put immediately to work.
To ground this for you, as a teacher of different Guild and Indigenous arts, and crafts, I must have an apprentice around for 6 months minimum just to begin to understand the basics concepts of an architectural style, and if I am doing a project, they must already have a solid foundation in the general application of what ever discipline I am teaching at the time, otherwise they aren't an asset of extra labor hands, but a distraction I must stop for to teach, and mentor.

I am not trying to discourage you, but, perhaps, give you some insight on how possibly to vet any offers that come your way, and what would be the best choice for you. Of all the things you shared, that are of interest, pick one or possible two, and focus on them. One month is barely going to give you a "taste," of anyone of those disciplines, if not done as an intensive training program, which of course will cost money. You will basically be around watching when you can, and the rest of the time doing the "grunt jobs," that need to be done, but not really learning much else. This is not always the case, but from what your time and monitory investment can be, that is more likely the case. Perhaps finding a low budget project, that needs extra help, such as a cob house will come your way, or a start- permaculture project. I wish all the luck, and if you need assistance vetting offers. Just post them here and I or someone will respond.

Regards,

jay


 
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Carly Murawsky wrote:Hi Dillion,

My husband and I are in northern Florida and are planning on building a cob home. We are actually starting the excavation in two days. At first, we'll be doing a round building with a reciprocal roof. It'll just be a living space, with electricity from solar panels. The kitchen and bathroom will be added later (we'll have an outdoor kitchen and bathroom at first). We're definitely not experts by ANY means (this is our first cob home) so this wouldn't be a school or training program. We'll be working all through May and June, taking July off to visit my family in NYS. To be honest, we are pretty poor currently and could not afford to pay you, feed you, or lodge you. We are building on a friend's property and they might agree to letting you camp there. Do you have cobbing experience? I doubt you'd be interested in coming all the way down from Canada but figured I'd put it out there.

Carly


Hello Carly,
This sounds great! It is ok that you do not have much cobbing experience. Though I am knowledgeable about the field, I do not have any hands-on experience. Look at my responses to Jay above to get an idea about what I know. Regards to food accommodations, etc. Just as long as we have a lawn to sleep on we will be able to afford our own food. However, we would need access to a roof if it rains (since this is rainy season in Florida, right?), and to a bathroom and shower. We are two students without money so we would prefer not to pay for rent and living expenses that we do not have to. I can provide references and would love to speak to you or your neighbours by phone or skype to provide an impression of us. Feel free to email me at dillon.mark.stanger(AT)gmail.com and we will go from there.
It will be a pleasure to speak with you,
DIllon
 
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Dillon Stanger wrote:Hello,

We are two McGill students who are passionate about natural building and permaculture. Dillon is an engineering student designing a natural house composed of cob-straw bale hybrid walls, sod roof, compressed earth foundations, earthen floor and rocket mass stove heater system (and much more). Marina is a recent graduate of the environment and development program at McGill.

We have plans to start a permaculture farm once we both graduate (for now, only one of us has graduated). We would love to gain some hands-on (as opposed to theoretical) knowledge by lending a hand (or all four!) with any natural construction projects you may have this year. Feel free to email me at dillon.mark.stanger((AT))gmail((DOT))com.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Marina and Dillon

P.S.
You can take a look at Dillon's facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Natural-Building-and-Permaculture-De-engineering/382993305119208


Thank you everyone for your help, offers, and advice. We found people to host us.
We are still open for offers for planning next year's summer. By then, we will have practical hands on knowledge!
Thanks,
Dillon and Marina
 
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