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Question for Allen on combining permaculture and mob grazing

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Do you know of anyone trying to combine permaculture, hugaculture, and mob grazing? Any thoughts about making this work? Whouldn't you have to protect small trees?

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John there are I understand many people who are managing holistically and who have permaculture training and experience. We always urge people in any cropping situation to become involved with permaculture. If you look at my response to others about mob grazing i would shy away from it as it is a derivative of my work that dropped the planning process which is the whole reason for consistent success we see with holistic planned grazing.

As I explained in an earlier post there are many grazing derivatives from either Andre Voisin's wonderful work or from holistic planned grazing. Go back to the originals - Voisin if the situation involves pasture management or planned grazing in all situations involving livestock on land (pasture or the far vaster desertifying regions of the world). Remember holistic planned grazing was developed by thousands of people working with me from the edges of the true desert with no rainfall to the very high rainfall tropical forests on the Brazil Paraguay border and all environments between so it is pretty universal.

Many of the derivatives - short duration grazing, cell grazing, wagon wheel system, management intensive grazing (MIG) or the lates mob grazing will improve grazing lands up to a point, and you will note such system are used in regions of reasonably good atmospheric and soil humidity throughout the year - the green zones in the satellite view I showed in my TED talk that are not generally desertifying. Here people are happy with what they experience and that is great. What they do not see or understand is what is missed such as hidden costs. I once visited a much promoted "successful" grazier in the US. He had received training in holistic planned grazing, but like many had dropped the planning in favour of simply rotating his livestock around many paddocks on the basis of short grazing periods in a flexible manner. In his case it was being promoted as a leading success story with MIg and now it would probably be called mob grazing as that is the latest fad. It was a good season with abundant rainfall. I found him leasing additional land costing money he could ill afford. Asking him if I could simply plan his grazing with him we did so and found no need to lease grazing. He simply had too many mobs and was planning grazing periods and being flexible with those as stated. When we planned recovery periods, changed number of herds and planned backwards also to assist better planning we found no need for leased land. I hope this helps.
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