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Deer and crows

 
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I’ll try not to make this too long winded.

Have you noticed crow effecting your deer herd? I’ve lived here 4 years. My bucks have never hung out here very early so I never see or get them on camera on velvet. They usually start showing up about September. I have not seen a buck since July 31. One time. Usually between me and the neighbors we see just a handful of does. I am getting nothing but does and there’s 8-10 different ones.

The only thing different other than I’m in the fields waaay less since my car wreck (expecting more deer for this reason) and crows are here nonstop. Do crows scare off deer? They clearly come eat corn but otherwise don’t cause damage that I know of on my place.

Or it’s totally possible I’m just unlucky this year. With all the does the rut will probably bring them here but all our properties are small so by then they are very likely to be moving at night only by that time.

Any info to confirm my crazy theory?

Side note I have heard they run off the predatory birds. Which I don’t really care for. I love watching hawks and I haven’t seen any since the crows showed up this spring.
 
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While I am not 100% sure of this theory, I have noticed it between deer and turkeys.

I believe that crows/turkeys/birds will alert nearby deer to the presence of hunters. They forage in similar areas and look out for similar predators. I muse that they learn each other's warnings and react accordingly for survival.
 
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I saw at least one buck this morning.  I saw several other deer though I did not see whether they had horns or not.

I rarely see crow so maybe that is why?  

what is your opinion on buzzards?  Do buzzards scare deer?  I bet they would.  we have lots of buzzards.

I am in the Hill Country of Texas.

I notice a deer yesterday that I thought was going to come on our patio to get a drink of water, the cat saw it too and was wary of the deer.

AI said, `Crows and deer have a complex relationship that involves both mutual benefit and conflict:

Mutual benefit: Birds, including crows, can benefit from the presence of deer by picking at their backs for ectoparasites and foraging for insects near them.

Conflict: Crows can vocalize when disturbed by deer.

 
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I do have a buzzard or two that fly regularly. I’ve noticed no effects that I can recognize. I asked my brother. He definitely has both crows and deer. Though I can’t say the amount. I have tons of crows this year. Like 40-50 at a time.

My “evidence” is anecdotal at best. Probably just looking for a reason why my last season here is looking poor.  
 
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