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Pinus sabiniana (California foothill pine) in the East

 
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I found a good looking nursery today in the West that specialises in native perennial food plants and was really intrigued by Pinus sabiniana, the California foothill pine. They’re hardy to Zone 3, but I wonder, would they make it in this climate with mesic soils and rain every month of the year? Maybe some western people can give some more specifics as to their ecology. And they are supposedly excellent nut trees as well.

It could be good to try anyway, planting in a well drained spot. I think I probably will… it’s too tempting after reading R Ranson’s anger transformed thread.

https://nativefoodsnursery.com/california-foothill-pine/
 
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Well... now that I think about it again maybe it makes more sense to try Siberian pine. Vermont is probably close enough to some parts of Siberia in climate that they would make more sense to try growing. And the seeds (rather than plants) seem more widely available.

I wonder if they could hybridize with native white pines...? Now I'm going into wild speculation. Earlier today I hallucinated a flower bud on a volunteer avocado and thought maybe we could breed annual avocados. Then I realized it was actually the chickweed right next to it.
 
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I tried this a couple of times living in Georgia and it always failed, probably due to summer rain and humidity.  It actually grows in the warmer parts of California, not the high mountains, so I doubt the claim of zone 3 in any case.  When I lived in California for a few years we had it around, and I would sometimes gather fallen cones for the few nuts left.  This was an area with only moderate frosts (think lemons and olives) and absolutely no rain at all and roasting heat from May through October, sometimes only 15 inches all told for the year.   So probably not a fit anywhere in the East.  What's more, the trees only produce cones when they get way tall, and the squirrels and birds get most of them and the rest scatter.  Only the few cones that fall half open, say after a windstorm, have any chance of containing anything useful.  When I was at Michigan State I gathered quite a few nuts from some planted trees of Lacebark Pine (P. bungeana), which produced them either low enough to pick half open or else would drop in that state, so as to still have a worthwhile number of nuts.  But this tree is notoriously slow growing, and hard to find.  I had no idea how long they might have been there....
 
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