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English ivy issues

 
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So I’m trying follow the idea that your problem is a solution for another problem, but I don’t have any ideas for this one. I’ve got alot of English ivy. I’m planning on tearing most of it up to allow for more plantings. Im thinking the herbs I want to grow for tea should be able to outcompete it once I tear most of it up. I’m also on a lot that’s still way more grass than food forest.
I keep looking at the ivy wondering if this problem can be a solution for something else. I’m low on compostable/fertilizers. I’ve heard you should not compost it, would it work as a compost tea or would that still be a possible vector into the garden beds?
Is there anything I can use it for other than simply disposing of it?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
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Well, if you are up for it, you could boil it.

That will make a soapy mixture as per this thread :
https://permies.com/t/211598/permaculture-home-care-cleaning/Laundry-Soap-English-Ivy

I'm not sure if it would be good fertilizer, but I would feel safe using it on plants as a pest deterrent.
The leftover solids should compost just fine.

Turning them into biochar is another option.
 
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A lot of English ivy here. I'm ripping it off the fruit trees and was using it for the ecological flushing liquid of our camper toilet as described here. Very soon we'll be changing over to compost toilets, so the flushing liquid will not be necessary anymore.
I'm also using English ivy as a laundry detergent, as mentioned by William, to wash when there are no stubborn stains.

For the rest...I'm tossing it on top of the heap of cut off branches, weeds etc. It's my Compost Heap Of Unwanted Things, so I'm not using it as compost for my vegetable garden. One might view it as a place for wildlife to nest? I'm not sure. Chicken like to scratch there every now and then.

In conclusion: English ivy has its place in soapy solutions, otherwise at my place it's doomed to end up on the CHOUT.
 
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This stuff is a veritable green plague here. Three neighbouring properties accounting for over 100 m of our boundary have ivy growing rampant. It covers the ground, excluding pretty much all the things that could be growing there except for cherry seedlings. Then it runs up anything that is vertical...trees, fences, clotheslines, power poles...and gradually brings down trees by encouraging rot and adding weight to the branches. I go around the perimeter and chop it back periodically and that keeps the gross spread from invading our margins.

But that's the easy part. When the vines get up into sunlight, they change form (they stop "vining" and the leaves get rounder) and turn into reproduction machines. They flower profusely every summer and set clusters of berries, which are ripening right now. Birds love 'em and happily deposit thousands of seeds all across my section, and germination rates in shady spots are EXCELLENT. It's like the way a wildfire jumps containment lines by lofting embers over them that land in the dry grass. So at any given moment I probably have thousands of ivy seedlings starting to spread through my tree-covered areas.

I hate ivy with a raging intensity that I reserve for only a handful of plants. It makes fine biochar. If you're using the flame cap method (easy and low-capital, hence popular among permies) Just have a good hot fire going before you add it and only throw in a little at a time so it can't emit smoke. Or better still, get it good and dry first. I yank it out and put it on the long-term "osprey nests" that I build in out-of-the-way corners. You do have to keep an eye on it if you do this so that it doesn't root and re-establish. I usually pile ivy in the summertime so that it's more likely to dry out and die. Then it gets treated like any other brushy stuff and goes into the kontiki, or composts down and does no harm.
 
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