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Ernie Wisner

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well we just started to remove the sand mold from the oven we have been building for the last couple weeks. its been slow due to rain and generally soggy conditions. but i think this weekend will see a burn in party.

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Ok Ernie can we get some pics?

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sure thing.

We are doing its first curing fire right as we speak.

sculptural cob is not on yet so we have not made the burn or bake doors. but its firing just dandy.

update first batch of outer cob is about mixed, oven is curing with a good soaking fire. Erica cobbled together a temporary burn door, cut the smoke down by about half. now at the heating part of the burn (lots of coals and big wood there is very little smoke at all.

I suspect the inside is about 800 degrees ATM but the bake surface is not heated yet.

the baking floor will get hot in about an hour or so. so far so good

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first batch of cob is on, second batch is being mixed.

this layer is the structure that will withstand the world and act as a backer for the insulation. since the oven is burning we have been monitoring the heat inside as we add this layer. the heat is rising very fast and is now driving off moisture fast enough that there are steam puddles forming. good deal

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Are you taking pictures of all the different phases?

Maybe video?

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we are getting pictures of each step. no vid cause we are backward folks and dont have any vid stuff.

Erica will get on the pictures as soon as she can.

current up date is the sculptural cob is on and sculpted. we will be putting color on today and making the burn and bake doors to fit. we also will be making structural cob today for the plinth. making it pretty.

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You really ought to get someone with a video camera ... you'd make a great director with a natural flair for building suspense!

Really, can't wait to see this new oven.

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Can we get even one picture?

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yes

Erica and Travis are working on the roof today but i will interrupt them in a little while for the pictures.

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http://picasaweb.google.com/eawisner/FrogOven#

ok so we are slow. its rainy and nasty here today so i am finally doing this (cross fingers so the camera survives the experience)

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Great Job! Thanks for sharing...

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ok so we are slow.

Ah, so I'm not the only one???

The oven looks great! Super concept that shows even our most mundane "appliances" can be art! (although there's nothing mundane about an earth oven)
Is that a "folded" rocket design under/around the oven? It's hard for me to tell from the pics how the burner portion works.

Thanks for the pics Ernie and Erica!

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no its a standard oven with a burn door and a bake door.
i have made a rocket oven that worked very well but it takes a bit of space to do it. this oven is right out side of our kitchen and we wanted a straight forward build for guests to use.

thanks everyone we will have more Pics from other cameras in a little while and we will put up pics of the plaster and lime paint work we want to do. Feel free to wander around the picture sites we have. i believe mine is linked with Ericas so you can get some info from all our projects.

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And the first bake will be wild harvested frog legs?? Nice oven!

It can be done!

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Beautiful.

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I was trying not to say anything cuz I can be such a party pooper. I had my hopes up that it was some sort of rockety thing.

I have yet to see a good rocket oven. Only drawings.

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Paul you are not a party pooper and we will do another rocket oven sometime.
We however; have been and are still doing firsts and it gets a bit tiring so we do like the occasional simple build as a break.

we would like to do a work shop for a rocket oven providing we have the interest and enrollment. as with all this stuff that is out of the basic zone most folks like to talk about it but dont really want to do the design. ****sigh****

any how we have work shops coming up on retrofitting a stick frame to natural building materials. IE. new roof, plasters, light clay, under floor RMH, skylights &c. folks interested should check out our web site www.ernieanderica.info .

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That is a totally cool oven Ernie. Really like it! ) Will definitely be looking at doing that for mine after taking the class in June here in NM.

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Thanks Pat
I like the double door ovens. takes a bit more time to build but i think the extra time is worth the clean air and ability to have a chimney. when things finally dry out here we will paint it up with some nice moroccan gold and a touch of blue for the whole frog effect.

our Dana in residence likes frogs and much of what we have done here is to bring the wetlands back so we have frogs again.

the wetland worked already, we have tree frogs singing again after a 30 years silence.

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Ernie,
That sounds great! ) I was thinking about a like thing today while digging out a trench for a keyhole design for planting my sunchokes in and taking advantage of the bit run off that still comes the driveway. The soil is very tight in that location so needed to remove 2'x2' with the keyhole being 12' across with a 3' wide south access. Will be adding lots of fluffy materials and then layering a bit of dirt each layer the first foot.
Was wondering how could adapt what I was doing to create a wetland. Maybe not there, but as a possibility in working with my home's grey water. Will think on that a bit. Need to finish planting the 50lbs of sunchokes I have, then onion plants in another keyhole design with cabbage.

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Pat lets start another thread in the appropriate forum so we can discuss the wetland the oven doesn't fit

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Hi Ernie,
Have to agree! ) Do some of my best thinking when doing heavy work.

You'll find me in my office. I'll probably be drinking. And reading this tiny ad.

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