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on nut trees and other trees in your climate

 
Hugo Deslippe
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Location: Nagano. Japan
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As you know, I will be in your region so this is a personal question.

What place, if any would a nut tree have in a permaculture orchard in your climate and where would you put it in the NAP setup?

Also, I would like to know how are the peaches doing in your climate.

 
Paul Ewing
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Location: Boyd, Texas
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My opinion is that nut trees can be very important. I am not sure how they would work with Stefan's model of timing harvests on rows to be the same would be thrown off with nut trees in the mix since most nuts are much later harvesting than fruits.

In my setup I am going with mixed nuts and fruits with different ripening times in my back fields because I plan to harvest almost everything with animals and want to be able to swing them through the rows three to six times a year going from mulberries to peaches to early apples to pears to late apples to pecans to persimmons.
 
Stefan Sobkowiak
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Hugo Deslippe wrote:As you know, I will be in your region so this is a personal question.

What place, if any would a nut tree have in a permaculture orchard in your climate and where would you put it in the NAP setup?

Also, I would like to know how are the peaches doing in your climate.

Peaches took last winter hard (-28c). They are slowly coming back but a back to back winter like last will likely kill them. Oh well so much for play trees.
Nuts: we have many types (hazels, Japanese walnut, black walnut, oaks, chestnut). We are trying most as single trees in the NAP instead of a fruit tree. Except for the black walnut which we use at the start of the rows and have a few different combos next to them to see their effect over the years. So far only one black walnut is not happy being next to a spruce. We have some near apple and pear with no noticeable effect so far. Trials always trials. Hazels do great instead of a fruit tree and add nicely to diversity of families in the row.
 
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Paul Ewing wrote:My opinion is that nut trees can be very important. I am not sure how they would work with Stefan's model of timing harvests on rows to be the same would be thrown off with nut trees in the mix since most nuts are much later harvesting than fruits.

In my setup I am going with mixed nuts and fruits with different ripening times in my back fields because I plan to harvest almost everything with animals and want to be able to swing them through the rows three to six times a year going from mulberries to peaches to early apples to pears to late apples to pecans to persimmons.

Good one Paul. Timing is not a problem, we put the hazels in late September harvest rows as that is when they ripen mostly for us.
Animals on 6 pass rotation will GREATLY reduce insect pressure, leaving you with lot's of beautiful fruit out of reach of the animals.
 
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