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Hi.

Im designing an area and using the NAP system so far. The system as far as I can tell says Nitrogen fixer, Apple, Pear/Plum.
My question is where would nut trees fit into this? What about peaches, paw paws, kiwis etc? I guess peaches and paw paws both begin with the letter P.

Anything else you can teach me about the system? Can I interchange or replace other trees with the A or P letter?
Ive watched the movie beyond organic.
 
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I too would like more knowledge on this...like maybe using 6 or more types of trees into the area to spread and diversify even more than just NAP.

I think another important part to consider in an orchard is the lower layering of bushy and ground cover (which can be edible producers too) and how to mix/match that along with tree types.

 
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Ty Greene wrote:I too would like more knowledge on this...like maybe using 6 or more types of trees into the area to spread and diversify even more than just NAP.

I think another important part to consider in an orchard is the lower layering of bushy and ground cover (which can be edible producers too) and how to mix/match that along with tree types.


Good! Yes, I really like the idea of having grapes on the nitrogen fixing trees. That seems like a good idea.
 
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I like the idea of combining pecan with peaches. I am speaking of my climate.  I think a peach will be close to  end of usefullness about the same time a pecan would be large enough to shade it out and take its role as the central big tree.

With the wide spacing of pecans, this is a way to use that space and get a harvest as quick as a decade earlier vs waiting for just pecans to come of age.



 
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Eivind Djonne wrote:Hi.

Im designing an area and using the NAP system so far. The system as far as I can tell says Nitrogen fixer, Apple, Pear/Plum.
My question is where would nut trees fit into this? What about peaches, paw paws, kiwis etc? I guess peaches and paw paws both begin with the letter P.

Anything else you can teach me about the system? Can I interchange or replace other trees with the A or P letter?
Ive watched the movie beyond organic.



Where on the planet are you located? you didn't give us much information for giving you climate specific ideas.
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Bryant RedHawk wrote:

Eivind Djonne wrote:Hi.

Im designing an area and using the NAP system so far. The system as far as I can tell says Nitrogen fixer, Apple, Pear/Plum.
My question is where would nut trees fit into this? What about peaches, paw paws, kiwis etc? I guess peaches and paw paws both begin with the letter P.

Anything else you can teach me about the system? Can I interchange or replace other trees with the A or P letter?
Ive watched the movie beyond organic.



Where on the planet are you located? you didn't give us much information for giving you climate specific ideas.
Redhawk



Im in Norway, Zone 4. Really looking for general ideas.
 
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General ideas could possibly not be viable, for instance, banana trees, mango, etc., would require a conservatory to be able to survive.
When your in a colder zone, such as zone 4 you should be looking for items that will fit the area, so the less general you are, the better your chances of success.

For your area you will need to select fruit trees that you know will grow and survive the winters.

for the N fixers just about any of them will do nicely, you might also want to look into some of the N fixers that are also mineral miners such as Lucerne and comfrey for those areas out near the drip lines of the fruit trees.
Even some of the grains do quite well at pulling up minerals and giving back those nutrients they took in when used for chop and drop style cover cropping.

Just about any of the cold hardy species of fruit bearing trees should do well for you,
Most all trees benefit greatly from having good mycorrhizae in and around their roots and it is easy to make those additions at the time of planting.
If you build your soil, the plants will do well as long as they can survive the lowest temperatures the area receives.

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Eivind Djonne wrote:Hi.

Im designing an area and using the NAP system so far. The system as far as I can tell says Nitrogen fixer, Apple, Pear/Plum.
My question is where would nut trees fit into this? What about peaches, paw paws, kiwis etc? I guess peaches and paw paws both begin with the letter P.

Anything else you can teach me about the system? Can I interchange or replace other trees with the A or P letter?
Ive watched the movie beyond organic.



I think the major point from the idea of NAP is to make sure that like trees are not near one another. The idea is to keep apple trees away from apple trees, pears away from pears, etc., so that pests and disease can't easily move from one tree to the next. I use a kind of variation of it, while incorporating more guild plants as Bryant suggested.

To incorporate other trees not specifically mentioned, just put them into the rotation anywhere you like, just not next to each other. It could just as easily be a nitrogen fixer, walnut, paw paw, N fixer, peach, apple, N fixer,  almond, plum,...
 
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Trace Oswald wrote:

Eivind Djonne wrote:Hi.

Im designing an area and using the NAP system so far. The system as far as I can tell says Nitrogen fixer, Apple, Pear/Plum.
My question is where would nut trees fit into this? What about peaches, paw paws, kiwis etc? I guess peaches and paw paws both begin with the letter P.

Anything else you can teach me about the system? Can I interchange or replace other trees with the A or P letter?
Ive watched the movie beyond organic.



I think the major point from the idea of NAP is to make sure that like trees are not near one another. The idea is to keep apple trees away from apple trees, pears away from pears, etc., so that pests and disease can't easily move from one tree to the next. I use a kind of variation of it, while incorporating more guild plants as Bryant suggested.

To incorporate other trees not specifically mentioned, just put them into the rotation anywhere you like, just not next to each other. It could just as easily be a nitrogen fixer, walnut, paw paw, N fixer, peach, apple, N fixer,  almond, plum,...



Thanks. That was the answer I was looking for.
 
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