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Black soldier fly larvae indoors in bucket-method toilet

 
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Another idea for humanure..

Would it work to use black soldier fly larvae indoors, in, say, a sun-mar (non-electric) toilet? or a bucket-method pooper (with sawdust/peat)?

Would they escape?

 
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Soldier fly larvae love humanure. You won't have a problem getting them to eat and grow on it. The problem will be getting them started in your system and finding a way to let the mature larvae exit the system for use.
I already had a commercial BioPod in Georgia when I started playing with giving them humanure, and I just opted for simplicity. I had a geriatric toilet seat with a bucket and would put a deposit or two on top of a sheet of paper in the bucket, and simply dump this into the pod daily. I just fit it into my daily round of chores and it was no problem.
I have fantasized at times about a tweak on the concept of the moldering toilet....basically an elevated outhouse with a large compost bin beneath it. Envisioning an upper layer with BSF, complete with an angled exit ramp for self-harvesting, and then a lower layer, basically the BSF residur, harboring red compost earthworms, and some kind of access hatch to permit harvesting these. Makes me wonder if the residue left after these could still produce mushrooms, or biogas, or ??....before finally going toward becoming a soil amendment.
 
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Yessir. That outdoor toilet sounds ideal. I think I will do just that. Build a little outhouse on a platform (in hilly terrain, that is no problem) and put a vessel of some sort below it to collect the stuff, with BSF.

Red compost earthworms are the same as red wiggler worms, yes?

And would they be in a separate container from the initial poo-hatch (with BSF)? With a chute separating them, say, to prevent the BSF from taking over the redworms?

 
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I still have not found to buy some of these fabulous larveae, and you make me think of it again!

Does their fast eating means that the compost will have even less smell than with red worms?
 
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I've been living with my family ,kids and even music festivals on my property for 9 years without a septic system. I can talk for hours on the subject that I never thought would matter to me.As far as BSF in a indoor situation my first thought is they have no entrance or exit without help.when the soldiers flys first took over our outhouse the smell got worse but they thrived and kept things from piling up but now it's a different story.Now especially after the first spring festival they take over and move into our outhouse to thrive.instead of using ashes or lime we switched to cedar chips. Now our outhouse maintains itself.doesnt stink and in fact they love the cedar chips they completely do the work for me all spring and summer. They will devour toilet paper in minutes and love any visitor to the bathroom.the cedar chips really seem to make them happy too but in summer you don't have to throw a handful down every toilet visit,in fact wait 5 five minutes and they clean up quickly after every human deposits.there is nothing to see in minutes.In addition they is no increase in the flys in the outhouse..in fact you there's basically no flies around.to be 100 percent honest we adore the spring arrival.Over winter they are gone and we sure miss them.
 
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