Wage per hour of work from permaculture products ?

Hi all,
I am wondering how much you can earn from permaculture products, with which cultivation techniques, on how much surface ? By products, I mean veggies, fruits, etc, excluding selling knowledge with teaching, books, or consulting.

I've been looking for this info (i.e. $/h) for days, I found numbers for bio-intensive farming and aquaponics, but not for permaculture farming (well except this more bio-intensive than permaculture system, in french : http://www.fermedubec.com/ecocentre/Etude%20mara%C3%AEchage%20permaculturel%20-%20Rapport%20interm%C3%A9diaire%202013.pdf).

The reason I am asking, is that I would like to start a full-time permaculture project, and I have no more saving from the rat race to support my engagement, so it need to be financially self-sustained. I try to learn from those who have done such a project.

Here is the detail that I already found :

1. In Bec-Helouin farm in France, the french agricultural research INRA conducted a study on 1000m2 (1/4 acre) and found that with a full time (2100h/year) you can earn up to a gross turnover of 32k euro (42k$) per year, which after expenses and taxes leave you with a net 14k euro (18k$) per year, for such workload the gross wage is 15 euro (18$) per hour, not far from the french minimum wage. In this study, the cultivation technique used is mainly bio-intensive farming with a touch of permaculture, including annual vegetable cultivation on raised bed outdoor, in greenhouses and under fruit trees. Interestingly, earnings from vegetable of the greenhouses and from fruit and vegetables of tree areas are the most profitable per surface. Unfortunately the report don't mention how much kg of vegetables and fruit is produced, but my guess is 5kg per hour, 10 ton per year. (Source : http://www.fermedubec.com/ecocentre/Etude%20mara%C3%AEchage%20permaculturel%20-%20Rapport%20interm%C3%A9diaire%202013.pdf)

2. "An economic mini-farm earning $5,000–$20,000 on as little as 1⁄8 acre with one person working it, and of a complete vegetarian diet for one person being grown on as little as 2,800 square feet", are feasible with bio-intensive cultivation method, according to John Jeavons from Ecology Action research organization, in the introduction of his book "How to grow vegetables than you even thought possible on less land that you could imagine". For example in this book, tables show that potato cultivation can have a yield of 200 pound per 100 sqft (370 kg per 10m2), a 20k pound per 1/4 acre (or 3.7 ton per 1000m2).

3. For aquaponics, I did not find workload, but only production and earnings per surface. For basil, a plant that works well with aquaponics, 23kg/m2 (515 $ per m2) can be produced with aquaponics, to compare to 8kg/m2 in field cultivation. (Source : http://ag.arizona.edu/azaqua/ista/ista6/ista6web/pdf/676.pdf)

I know that there is people living from selling permaculture products, I guess they are getting payback for their work but I still find it difficult to get hard numbers. I count on you, permies.com users.

This will vary greatly from permaculture project to project. My mature nut trees produce a valuable crop with virtually no work for most of the year. The blueberries produce a less valuable crop and require more work hours. The vegetable garden is a lot of work and this year I didn't bother selling veggies, just grew enough for our own table and to share with friends.

Are you starting out with land? Do you have any capital to invest? Are you savvy with marketing and we'll known in the local community? Starting up the costs are higher, as trees and bushes mature and you have infrastructure in place and seeds saved, costs will go down. As with most things in permaculture, the answer is "it depends"

I also think it depends on how you count things .
For instance I make plum jam , lots of people think my plum jam is great and suggest that I sell some .
OK my jam costs me the price of sugar and some agaaga . Say a euro a jar and saves me buying organic jam at 4 € a go . I make it in batches of 12 and it takes me 2hours to pick and prepare . So I have made 48€ of jam in two hours weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and a profit of 36 € thats 18€ an hour .
Now if I wanted to sell it here in France the jam would still cost the same per jar but the law states I would need a seperate preparation area ,proper labels and new jars each time or invest in a sterilization machine plus I would have to pay a price for a stall, plus I would need to have time selling and promoting my goods .
No idea how long it would take so wages per hour ? making 12 jars would not work would have to scale up the whole process etc etc
The best deal I saw was a small farm in the south of France where they grew there own food and offered Bed and Breakfast and evening meals . They grew the food and sold it to the customers direct as meals . The customers came to them great idea They decided what the meals would be etc etc .

David

"Growing your own food is like printing your own money", and paying yourself with. Of course, how much you get depends of a lot of things.

True that fruit trees tend to require less work, but require more time to reach maturity. Although, harvesting rate is important too. Harvesting mulberries taught me that even harvest can be a hard work. I was doing 3kg per hour, with the arms raised all the time. A neighbour conventional farmer just gave up his new zealand spinach harvest, because he could not pay workers wages to harvest with the earnings from spinach they harvest. @Matu, is harvesting the nuts really easy ? how much quantity would you get per hour ?

True also that processing is a good way to make your work and products more valuable. Actually, for picking "dirty" mulberries to make jam, I used a tarp and shaked the branches which fastened the harvest up to 10kg per hour. Selling and promoting surely cost hours too, I never tried but I am convinced that it's not the time consuming part, is it ?

No I don't have the land to start with yet, do you advise me to try to find a land with mature fruit/nut trees and shrubs ?

I have little capital to invest, but I count on local community for starting small, and grow up later, like, taking part in a collective project, some one lending me/us a land, sell to direct customers and local farmer market. I have no experience in marketing and I am just starting to know the community.