I have removed a bunch of stuff from this thread.
And .... this topic is just too political for my tastes for what I want for these forums. Folks that need to discuss this stuff can take it up in other spots.
I've decided to make this thread available for folks to see - especially since so many people were itching to see what Toby had to say.
My position is very much aligned with
Sepp's: with
permaculture we can feed a lot more people. And we can reverse desertification. And, at the same time, food is not the only issue with overpopulation.