Trace Oswald wrote:
Stacy Witscher wrote:
As an aside, I'm disappointed to hear that LGD's bark all the time. I won't like that. Our older pit generally will just kill small animals with very little noise, but I'm only in the suburbs now. Time will tell.
I would be careful not to group all LGD together in some regards. There are some breeds that bark much more than others. I haven't owned Pyrenees, but have heard they bark a lot. I have had Akbash and Central Asian Shepherds, and they didn't bark much at all, less than other breeds I have had that weren't guarding breeds. Even within breeds, you will find a lot of variation as far as barking is concerned.
Steve Thorn wrote:I only got number 3 and 7 right. I guess I didn't know my dog as good as I thought.
Xisca Nicolas wrote:
So, ther is more sympathetic activation, but also enough social engagement on board, so that inhibiting defensive patterns is still there. When it is not, the dog can have a fight or flight response. This has been selected by breeding, and it also depends on the way puppies have spent their first weeks etc.
Lucrecia Anderson wrote:Just saw this. Great post! I recall hearing years ago that the calming signals were automatic/unconscious responses however never had much information on it. You explained it really well.
Lucrecia Anderson wrote:Your comment about breeding and environment also hits home. So many people think it is all about "nurture" but after doing rescue and interacting with lots of dogs it is apparent that nature plays a HUGE role. It is especially apparent among different breeds, they are often as different as apples and oranges regardless of how they are raised.
Lucrecia Anderson wrote:The puppies obvious had 2-3 different fathers, and one was a little black male. That pup was literally born crying, and even at 3 weeks old showed an obvious fear of humans,
... (not well socialized...lol...but certainly never traumatized or abused).
... He displays a LOT of calming signals and the littlest thing causes him to "shake off" anxiety. Though behavior wise he is actually the most tolerant and easy going dog in the house.
He is also a perfect example of nature vs nurture. Having raised him from birth there was no question that his fear and anxiety was genetic and not stemming from a bad experience.
Xisca Nicolas wrote:
He was born crying and maybe more little than others? He might just have had a bad experience during gestation and/or birth! Then it is enough to not regulate as well as the others, and thus making it difficult to relate to another species from the beginning.
John Paulding wrote:I read a book years ago about this. I forget the authors name but she came up with most of this. She actually learned it by observing one of her dogs that seemed to have the ability to get other dogs to get along together.
I just got a couple of LGDs and these things come in handy. They were evidently not treated all that well and spent quite a few days with their tail straight down. I was carrying a 2x4 one day and they both bolted. They're doing better now but it will take a while for them to get right. One might never be right but we'll keep trying. It's a bit nerve racking dealing with abused dogs that outweigh you.
Xisca Nicolas wrote:Some dogs show not enough signals to others, and they are not that good for relating to others sometimes, because they also read and consider others' signals much less!
Xisca Nicolas wrote:Some dogs that were not badly treated actually look as if they have been! The signs of low early socialization look exactly the same! And the interpretation is usually that the dog has been treated badly / hurt. Not always and much less than we think.
Xisca Nicolas wrote:
The lack of inhibition is at ANS level, a lack of the social engagement system. There a 2 types of beings: the ones I know, and the others. Social engagement is good only with one type, you guess which one...
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