Hi, I'm an ethical carnivore. I want to live with other ethical carnivores who want to re-imagine our world and make our own feeble attempt at recreating Eden.
I don't think we can keep standing around blaming others for the upheaval and chaos that is destroying the world we barely even know. We are living in the present and the future is tomorrow and whatever we do right now actually has direct implications. Would any other ethical carnivores want to be the change they want to see in the world with me?
I try to be an unfettered pragmatist. It is my conclusion that the most simple and impactful method in which we can acquire material wealth, while simultaneously directly benefiting our environment, feed and nourish other people, create a base for our own community and families to grow, would be to have a well managed dairy farm or ranch that sells direct to consumers and/or value added products. If I can live to the day where I have seen this goal accomplished and carried out and handed down to another generation then I will be able to die a happy man.
So what would your desired community be like? Do you have experience with cattle? What about running a dairy?
posted 3 years ago
I raised grass fed dairy cattle for 4 years and grass fed goats for 7 I have raised many other kinds of livestock. I used portable electric fence to graze the same area for no more than a day, for no more than 3 days a year with well over a month before they grazed the same place. I have worked at a dairy farm and I have processed quite a lot of my own milk as well. I have extensively studied pasture management and organic livestock herd health. It's all that I want to do but it is probably too big of a responsibility for me to handle all by myself.
I think a good community would be one with people who share common desires and world views, who can work together on our collective environmental, economical and social goals. Like a family. Honestly I am mentally wounded from the friction I have experienced trying to communicate with people who seem to simply be unable or unwilling to understand or care and the loneliness of not having anyone to talk to about basically everything that I have achieved and learned, that brought me happiness and health.
You know I just want what I fought and failed 7 years for, to have a means of existence that is beneficial to my environment, my self and others, to be able to provide for ourselves without having to rely on the outer society. But I don't have the emotional endurance to hack it all by my lonesome. Joel Salatin said "don't expect to go out into the wilderness and carve out a paradise all by yourself". Alan Nation said something like "the best business is either a business that's run like a family or a family that's run like a business."
May I hear more about what you're looking for in community?
Sounds like I'm guilty of trying to go out into the wilderness and do things by myself. i've been on my property a year and the enthusiasm with which I though I would approach observation, planning, etc, has just not materialized.
I've been scouting permies looking for community of mostly the barn-raising kind, but I think it's time to think more broadly.
I'm in north alabama on 19 hilly, wooded acres, in a growing zone that to me is wonderfully ideal—7b. Most plants that need chill hours do well here. Heat-loving plants love it. And with a little manipulation of micro-climates, this area can support tender plants that normally require zones 8–10. I am looking forward to those challenges.
My plans for the place include a variety of fowl, dual purpose goats, pigs, and, perhaps, eventually, some sort of Acquaculture.
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." --John Watson (Ian McClaren)
We're doing something like this near Tampa FL; our web site way out-dated but I just up-dated our listing in the www.ic.org directory under Ecofarmfl community in Florida. We also have an ad in the eagerfarmer.com web site. Jon
Emil, I'm still here. Stopped being able to contact you by telephone. Still have 200+ acres in southern Virginia. I have 6 head of cattle now. How did you survive last winter? I know you were having a terrible time. How much livestock or equipment do you still have? I've got plenty of pasture.
Yvonne, it's very difficult to do alone. It's hard to do even with other people. I wish you well.
Everyone: I'm still looking for a person/people. I have a two-bedroom house available--live free if you help with feeding, garden, some chores that equal what rent would be. Otherwise, work parttime for me, work in town (plenty of jobs here) or have an agribusiness, like Emil, that we can profitshare. Southern Virginia, very wonderful climate, country, near Danville VA. Livestock welcome.
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