• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Carla Burke
  • John F Dean
  • Nancy Reading
  • r ranson
  • Jay Angler
  • Pearl Sutton
stewards:
  • paul wheaton
  • Leigh Tate
  • Burra Maluca
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • Timothy Norton
gardeners:
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Paul Fookes
  • Tina Wolf

root cellars

 
Posts: 7
Location: Lavelle PA 17943 6a
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
hello fello permies,

 My name is adam abd we here will be digging for an outside root cellar.  we wanted to use old chest freezers.  will they suffice? or is there something better out there?
 
Posts: 27
2
4
purity forest garden greening the desert
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I don't know your site conditions or climate, but have you considered whether or not you even need freezers? Here is an example of a root cellar at Sepp Holzer's Kramaterhof. @ 15m25s



There should be drawn plans and threads about this all over Permies.com.

If you want to make sure your stuff stays frozen but doesn't use much energy in the meantime I think placing freezers in a cold location makes sense and using older ones extends the life of a product created with energy-intensive manufacturing. The plastic has probably off-gassed it's VOCs so placing it in an area with less air circulation isn't a problem, in my opinion based almost entirely on theory.

I think root cellars have air flow by definition (such as in Paul's WOFATI definitions).

I also wonder what happens if the refrigeration liquid leaks. Does it sink, rise, or soak into all the exposed organic material in the cellar? Maybe it even depends on the liquid.

Does that help? I'm sorry I don't have much practical experience.
 
Danger, 10,000 volts, very electric .... tiny ad:
full time farm crew job w/ housing
https://permies.com/t/178213/jobs-offered/experiences/full-time-farm-crew-member
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic