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Abigail Vera
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So we are prettty laissez faire when it comes to our animals but I just wormed our chickens after seeing live worms in their poop (roundworms I believe). We also did our dogs and cats for good measure. We also decided to worm our pig we're raising for meat. We used a conventional wormer ( wazine which is piperazine) and this morning our pigs poop was like spaghetti- tons of roundworms (ascarids for sure) up to 8 inches long. So clearly she had a load. I know the chickens have had worms before.


This is pretty hard for me. We don't have pastures so keep these animals on. And in our situation the chickens can't even free range (we are an unfenced lot near a lot of truck Traffic and we have a bird killer dog). I have already done my research into a more holistic way of keeping the worm load down which I would like to do but my real worry is for US.

Earlier in the year I had to treat my 2 year old son for ascarids. Again I did in conventionally - I was in a panic after finding a for inch worm in his diaper. Horrifying.

Are worms just a fact of life? Forbid our son from being barefoot ? Is it unsafe to allow him in the coop? He loves to collect eggs and play without shoes and just be a dirty boy but I don't wanna put him at unnecessary risk. But it seems like between the dogs and cats licking themslves and him... it's gonna be impossible to keep him totally parasite free around here. The dogs poop in the yard where he plays occasionally and although I remove it ascarids eggs can last up to 10 years in ideal conditions!!  I just get a little panicky thinking about it all. Plus I'm pregnant and I can even think about trying natural antihelticis lrobably until I'm done nursing (a couple years).

How do you reconcile these things? Hygiene? Dietary changes?
 
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Roundworms (including ascarids) can cause significant harm to humans, especially children. It is something that a parent should take seriously. While most childrrn may only experience poorly noticed symptoms (intestinal discomfort, growth stunting, general poor health), others may have more profound problems with organ damage, nerve damage, blindness. Once damage occurs, it can last a lifetime.

I strongly suggest that you research roundworm damage in children on the Internet. Then consult with your pediatrician to fine tune your questions. Also speak with your doctor ASAP, considering that you are pregnant.

It sounds like your environment is contaminated. It would be wise to take steps to prevent your child from being infected with internal parasites.
 
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Abigail Vera wrote:How do you reconcile these things? Hygiene? Dietary changes?
    Yes, that is it.  Parasites are the clean up crew.

There is quite a bit you can do to drastically reduce the parasitic load.  Anti-parasitic herbs will help.  diatomaceous earth is said to be good to help get rid of parasites in the GI tract.  The centers of pineapple are full of bromelain which help rid the GI tract of parasites.  Papaya seed is good for GI tract parasites --- ya gotta chew em----tastes similar to black pepper.  Some people dry the seeds then grind em and use it to sprinkle on food.

Anti-parasite herbs -- Just maintain yearly, many suggest multiple times per year, the herbal anti-parasitic protocol.  And an herbal protocol should span a minimum of thirty days, 60 would be better, because of certain parasites egg cycles. Nearly everyone has parasites, so if you are in contact with other people then you are constantly being re-infected.  And parasite eggs can be found on probably all of the food we eat, so if the internal environment is friendly to parasites then they are constantly hatching.

Being pregnant-----avoid certain anti-parasitic herbs.  I can't recall exactly which ones, but google will know.  And the same goes for your two year son....google it to make sure it's safe at that age.

For your animals, you can add diatomaceous earth to their feed to help cut down the overall parasitic load.

Ultimately, the parasites will always be in the bodies of those who eat in a way that creates an internal environment conducive to the growth of those parasites.  Change the internal environment to one that the parasites don't like and they will leave.  So without changing the internal environment, then consistency would be the best route.  Have an herbal protocol to use multiple times per year, use DE in your animals feed as well as for your family.  Eat foods that parasites don't like.  You'll just have to be consistent to keep the parasitic load down.

Now I'm gonna open the can o worms and let em out.   The foods we eat create the internal environment. If we eat garbage then the parasites will grow.  Here are the only ways I've heard of people actually fully eradicating parasites from their bodies.  They quit eating all cooked food...so if it required cooking then it wasn't consumed.  They quit eating all animal products.  They put a big emphasis on internal cleanliness through raw foods, basically they were getting most all of their calories from fruit.  Now here is where they took it to another level.  In all instances they all thought they were squeaky clean because of how they were eating......but once they really began to dig deep and get serious about cleansing the body, that is when they began to see the last of the parasites come out of hiding and exit their bodies.  In all instances they were juice fasting and taking herbs. 

One was a longer term juice fast of beyond thirty days, "my have been 60 days", and after a few weeks into the fast she had a colonic.....the last pocket of parasites came out.  The next one I'm thinking of....he was on a 90 day juice feast and began to take herbs after so many days to help bring the GI tract into its proper shape....essentially the herbs he took after he began to reach a level of cleanliness removed all of the hiding spots in the GI tract.  It was during this 90 day juice feast that he removed the last of the parasites.  And he had done numerous cleanses and fasts before, but it was during this fast that he became serious.  The last one I'm recalling....again she was eating raw vegan for a couple years...high fruit....with plenty of juice fasting and anti-parasite herbs.  It wasn't until she began to dig really deep and start dry fasting.  It was during this time of dry fasting that the last parasite came out.  So even if we eat very healthy, we need to take it to a very high level to kick out those last super resilient buggers that have been in there for a while.

From what I've learned and experienced, if we really want to fully get rid of the parasites from our bodies, we need to be serious and realize that if we eat anti-parasite herbs today, but eat pizza's tomorrow then we're not making any progress.  To fully get rid of them, we must change our internal environment to one that they can't live in.

If that's something to worry about or not...  I dunno.?  Basically everyone has em, but hardly anyone knows, and most seem to want to deny it for some odd reason.  If you know this then you can take steps needed for yourself and your family to ensure that you keep the parasitic load down via herbs, foods, DE, etc...

I personally use herbs, DE, and foods for myself, my horses, and my dog.  Plus I fast, "in-between all my garbage eating sessions"  LOL.  The last fast I did in the fall last year was only 21 days with a total of maybe four-five days of dry fasting. "not 4-5 days in a row....just in total accumulated days.  Longest I went was 36 hours."  I took herbs as well.  It was around the two week mark that I began to see the parasite eggs come out.  Which is crazy, because after two weeks of fasting you would think that if your stomach is all flat then there's nothing else in there....wrong.  I was trying the master fast system, because everyone was talking about how effective it is.  And it is effective, and convenient.  I still like to make fresh juice though, I just wanted to give that fast a try and see how effective it is.  VERY effective.

One more thing maybe worth mentioning.  The tests that are used to find parasites are quite in-accurate, "from what I recall learning years ago", and they can only detect a hand full of parasites that reside in the GI tract, and their tests are off 90% of the time.  What I'm trying to say is that I think that the tests are a waste of money.  Instead, spend that money on quality herbs.
 
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Hi Abigail,

How much space does each animal have?  I ask because your post hinted that maybe you don't have enough area for the number of animals.  I'm primarily a chicken guy, but I do have some experience with horses, pigs and goats, and what I've noticed in all cases is that the more cramped they are, the more likely they are to suffer from a continual onslaught of worms.  My rule of thumb is this: if the ground in the animals pen is bare, it's not big enough.  (I'm not talking about a stall where they only sleep at night and then are released onto pasture.) What I'm talking about is the area where they spend the better part of the day.  If they have it worn to bare dirt, it's not big enough for them.  I know I might take some flack from a few people over that last statement, but I believe that it's true.  There is only so much carrying capacity in so much space, and with the people I've helped with chickens, crowded conditions almost always equal poor health. People get 20 chickens in a thirty by twenty foot space and to begin with, everything seems great.  Come back in a year and the birds are experiencing major problems.  I've walked up on this many times, and people don't like to hear that they should get rid of fifteen of twenty chickens, but it would solve the problem.  Silvo-pasture pigs seems to have much lower incidence of worms as well. I know pigs kept on traditional hog lots are pumped full of antibiotics all the time, but again, they're in over-crowded conditions. Some people just don't have the space for a pig.

All animals need space.  DE is great, but it won't make up for over crowding, they'll still get worms and you'll have to turn to a chemical solution over and over.  Let me repeat---Natural remedies or traditional remedies will NOT provide a long term solution if the animals are over-crowded.

The idea of a backyard farm is fun, but with small pens, you have to but in large amounts of fresh litter and remove manure constantly to keep pathogens down.
 
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