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rose macaskie
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    I talk about the dynamics of groups with my father and the topic meets with considerable opposition so it is a thorny one, i did not press such a topic on him till after suffering from his leaving consitently looking very silly and pretty no good and that with and without having any reason to do so, any which way, still his answers have convinced me of the necessity to talk about the sort of subject dealt with in walt disney films it is unkind to leave people out and such with grown ups.
  Jane Austin talks about group dinamics, that is what is and is not kind and how to stop the group from beign its worst and when a certain amount of unkindness is the best policy and people call her books books of manners and manners can be such trivial topics as which knife to use to eat what so that rather frivolizes a seriouse topic. Mind you how to do things the posh way is important considering what lack of consideration can be dealt out to those who dont hold their own and the right way of doing things can be a way of holding your own. in the end there is no right way, you have to argue your way with more aplomb than the others argue theirs. 
  Not too long ago a man shot some children in a school in Scotland and the community some members of it seemed to feel the community had not been very nice to him in the past. There was some guilt among the members of the village about their treatment of him uit is unusual tha people will take guilt for the behavior of a murderer in a murder case.  It seems that a bit of the problems of the hunch back of notre dame had existed there, the lack of kindness that can exist in groups towards the ugly and maybe not very interesting. The japanese rapist who has just been sentenced had a strange face before he started operating on his face, to give another example of this walt disney type topic.
  I  have been told, when talking of manners, that you can't ask a man to be a man and be at all considerate, marry a gay person has been the answer, i always thought the advantage of gay friends was that no one would think you were trying to seduce them not that they were soft. The lazy find excuses to get out of this sort of discussion.
    I was told that men, as well as strong were noble and brave and intelligent, for me nobility includes having the get up and go to bore yourself looking after the weak as well as the strength to rule and men have even in these feilds stolen the limelight Christ, Mohamed and Buddha are males.
    Of course this topic is big as big as talking of gardening soo to start it is to open a big can of worms. and to potentially use oa lot of internet space.  rose macaskie.
 
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I think people's behaviors in groups depend largely on how they have been raised.
 
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Paleo gardener. So do think people behave in groups as their parent taught them to behave but thats were talking about it comes in handy.
I should say great, that is what i have found and what people around me are always denying, its not so much character as whether your parents thought shy people look seriouse or talkative ones do that makes shy or talkative adults.

I went to a mounths teaching course, a few years ago, i should have taken the course that was a year long, I know next to nothing about teaching and so a mounth was too short for me. I imagined there was nothing to learn about teaching and I learnt a lot, so maybe people talking about group dynamics might help a lot of people a lot, everyone has such different experience of life that differing veiws on this could teach all a lot and also teach on leadership, I suppose its better if everyone is being leaders, leaders seen as those who are pulling their weight, rather than those who push others around could be good.
How much does a lot of general knowledge in a country on managerial skills help that country on? agri rose macaskie. 
 
 
 
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Well, not necessarily how their parents taught them, but what they experienced from their parents and others while growing up. This may result in the opposite of what their parents want to teach them. So it would be more correct to say "their experiences in their youths" than what their parents taught them. A lot of negative behavior might result from the wrong kinds of childhood stimuli.
 
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I  have met parents who teach children to be bad, type dont let anyone win, beat you, at an arguement in such a way taht  their children will lie to win the arguement. Tthere are parents who teach their child to always walk over others as they dont want them to be a walk over.
  There is the middle way, something between being a walk over for everyone and someone who is totally ¡naproachable because they are so determined never to lose an arguement that all conversation is out. I suppose conversation has to do with turning over ideas, sometimes agreeing and sometimes not and a great variety of ideas maybe gone through in a conversation.
 Never lose an arguement is, for those who are taught to be tough, really never, they will lie or menace you to make you agree with them and this total intrans¡gence is taught by parents who dont want their children to be anyones fool. It is hard for some  to think of parents teaching children to be bad if you want to understand that they do take an extreme example, do you think the mafia teach their sons to be goo?
    Some parents like it if their children are less successful than them, they are even competetive with their own children but i should think there are mafia bosses who want their sons to take over from them one day to know how to run the business. Tthe mafia boss type persons i have met are more inclined to se their children as marvelouse because they came from themselves than most parents some parents are carefull not to just imagine their children are alright becausse they are theirs have their blood to try to have clear vision about their own children, so there is a lot of variety in this theme too.  
   It is this sliding scale between position that are reasonable enough, dont be a walk over and positions that induce dishonesty and reduce the possiblitity of talking about anything like, don't let anyone tell you anything ever, that make talking about this difficult. always giving way  always giving way to others is not good either, we a have to walk in the grey area neither to much nor too little is the right place to be.

   Dont let others ask anything off you or  they might think they can push you around is another bit of this determination never to be used by others, that is never ever. This makes a person who can never ever be appealed to. They might do somthing for you but not because you asked them too, so there is never any question of them being open to discussion, you have to take pot luck with them, if they decide to do something for you well and good but you can't plan anything for yourself.
   This has to do with leadership, if you are determined your children will be the overlords not the underdogs this is one way of teaching them to rule and that without parliment and what you need or should have to rule or lead is an important part of group dinamics. agri rose macaskie  
 
 
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