Samantha Lewis

Hello John!  

Welcome to the forum!

It sounds like you could build a rocket mass heater.

In this video there is a heater you might be able to use to put heat on both sides of a wall.



In this movie there are many examples of rocket mass heaters installed in a variety of locations.  I think this is one of the best movies to help you decide what to build in a specific space.
https://permies.com/w/free-heat

Once you decide what you want to build you can get the specific plans for any of these designs.

Rich Lee wrote:I'm all for developing and sharing RMH technology. Not to piss on anybody's parade, but here's something to keep in mind: Most of us aren't living in the wilderness like Jeremiah Johnson. We live in houses and pay insurance on them for lots of reasons including damage and loss due to fire. If your RMH causes fire damage your insurance company probably won't cover it. For example, heating with modern wood stoves is a safe and proven technology. In spite of that, they have super stringent requirements for wood stoves compared to oil, propane, and natural gas. What do you think they're going to say about RMH? Just make sure you've got a solid plan to quickly control any fire related issues. There's a big difference between heating your house efficiently for cost and comfort and burning it to the ground.....  

 

Hello Rich!

Welcome to the forum!


Getting your insurance company to approve a rocket mass heater is definitely a big step.  It really depends on where you are.   Most states do now have an approval process.  You will have to contact your insurance company and find out what the regulations are in your state.


I would contact Uncle Mud.  
https://permies.com/u/164246/Chris-McClellan


He has built rocket mass heaters for lots of people who had to meet codes and be approved by the insurance companies.  
He has done the research and will be able to tell you how to proceed.  

I live in Washington state and we have some of the most restrictive laws.  I can still have a rocket mass heater though.  I just have to pay a bit more and buy a Liberator.  This is a UL listed device and my insurance will cover it.

Robert Chenier wrote:interested   please inform

Hello Robert!

Welcome to the forum!  

Rocket Technology is a safe way to burn wood and store the heat.  This allows us to keep a home, or this case a food dehydrator, evenly warm with very little wood.


This design is a step by step set of plans to build your own non electric food dehydrator.  When the sun is shining, warm dry air circulates through the food chamber.  On cloudy days or at night, you can start a small fire in the burn chamber.   The exhaust from the fire goes through the silver tubes you see in the animation above.   Heat from the fire moves through the system the same way the heat from the sun does.  There is no smoke or wood gas in contact with your food.  


The rocket technology is a very clean burning system.  When the fire is running you will see only heat waves exiting the stove pipe.  There is no smoke.

Craig Lewis wrote:I understand the overall goal and outcome.

Yet by placing limitations it can make it more difficult.

Hello Craig!
You are right.  Following all this specific criteria is making it more difficult in many ways.   I think almost anytime you are trying to help someone else it will be more difficult than just taking care of yourself.  

Craig Lewis wrote:For example. Not using cardboard. We can do a lot of things with cardboard. Ground cover, composting, seedpots, ...

I used to compost cardboard.  The master gardeners at my farmers market assured me that all the inks used now are non toxic and the worms break the material down to be perfectly safe.   I thought I was so clever to create worm breeding areas out of stacks of corrugated cardboard.   The worms would come and breed and lay tons of eggs.  Then one year, I got organic straw from a guy growing organic wheat.   I put a few bales of the straw out next to my cardboard composting area.  

When I opened up the bales in the spring, there were ten times more worms and eggs in the straw than I had ever seen in the cardboard.  I thought that was pretty cool but what really creeped me out was that the cardboard completely stopped breaking down.  It just laid there for a couple of years not breaking down and I eventually took it to the landfill.  I was so disgusted that I had been feeding my family garbage when I thought I was growing organic food.  
The animals have the wisdom and we can learn from them if we cannot see for ourselves.  When they have the choice they will eat the organic food rather than the chemical laden trash.  

Craig Lewis wrote:Not starting seedling. In the North, depending on the crops, we need to start seeds inside. Dame winters are too long lol.

You can grow your own starts.   Just keep track of your time.  

Craig Lewis wrote:Recycling plastic bottles, be it for seedlings and or micro greenhouses, slow water release units, hanging gardens. Many using to make gardening cheaper.

Yes I understand the micro plastic issue and being more down to Earth, about it. Yet being realistic about where most people are at or living. They have these items around them. As to those that do not.

Glass, ceramics and natural fibers will be nicer for GAMCOD.  They look a lot better and do not leach who knows what into your soil.

Craig Lewis wrote:Maybe I'm not getting something or thinking too much again.
I was thinking a raw forest/cutover plot, or unclean roadside plot.
Here in Newfoundland we can get up to 0.4 acres Home Garden lot, for $25.

Hello Craig!
Thanks for bringing all this up.    
Sounds like you have an opportunity for super cheap land.  That is really great.

Craig Lewis wrote:A shovel will cost more than what anyone spent, above.
So I'm drastic missing something. 4.65hr to 49 and $1 to $59.41.
Seems like numbers are way too low or off

This does not have to be a contest for how cheap you can garden.  Some people may have tools laying around or friends they can borrow from.   Maybe you will have to go buy a few things.  That is ok.  It will not disqualify you.  Just do your best and keep track of your time and how much you spend.

Craig Lewis wrote:Seems like a dirt plot is ready to go, with birds dropping seed right into the grown lol
If the goal is to make it seem like Gardening is cheap and simple, better to be more realistic and practical, about starting out.

The goal is to take away the blocks that keep people from getting started.  We want to teach people how to garden in ways that are fun and easy.   If we can create a movie showing a variety of gardening techniques, people will find a path that works for them.  They will give it a try and every year after, it will get easier.

Craig Lewis wrote:How long is this movie overall?

We will make the best movie we can with the video submitted.  How long exactly really depends on what we can get for content.  This will be a teaching video to show folks who are just getting started how to grow their own food, right where they are.  

Craig Lewis wrote:If 5 are chosen and get 10 mins each $4k. Maybe 5 seconds of all that submit a start. And 10 seconds of all that completed. ( not over 1min, gets nothing??)

We will include as many gardeners in different environments and demonstrating different techniques as we get good video for.   We want to show that anybody can do this, anywhere.  Not all people who submit raw footage will be included in the final video.  We will only use gardens that meet the criteria.

The time is pro-rated.  If only a tiny bit of the content you submit is usable, you will still get paid for it.  The payout is $400 per min, that comes out to about $6.50 per second.
I would not worry about that part too much.  Just do your best to produce great veggies and quality video.

https://permies.com/wiki/272678/Permaculture-smackdown-Week-solution-soil


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Hello Tori!  
I raise up the young males and harvest them when they are big enough.   I do not castrate them.   I just separate them from the females so they are no trouble and cannot breed.

This will be a great one!  





What amendments have you used?   What kinds of mulches?  


Have you had successes or failures?  What have you learned?  

Ulla Bisgaard wrote:I think this is great, but I wish there were places where you could just order one installed. My husband and I do want one. Especially the stove and an oven, but non of us are very handy fixing and building things. Hence why it has been a year since a trellis broke, and it is still not fixed, and it has take my husband 2 months to far (he is not done) to build a chicken coop.
I really want an outdoor kitchen, but do not want to depends on propane gas as a solution, but there are no where you can buy even a regular rocket mass heather.

Hello Ulla!

There are folks who will come and build a rocket mass heater for you.

Uncle Mud is in Ohio and he travels all over.  
https://permies.com/u/164246/Chris-McClellan

He offered to come out to my place in Washington state and build one for me.  He teaches at Paul's place in Montana pretty regularly.    You can probably get on his schedule and have him come to your place.   He would be my first choice.  He is the master, a true artist and such a joy to hang out with.  He also loves to teach, so if you have him out to do a build for you, you can set up a workshop and sell tickets.  

Here is a link to a whole list of Rocket mass heater builders:
https://permies.com/w/rmh-builders-list

This is excellent Andrés!

Thank you so much for putting this together.  

This collection makes rocket mass heater technology accessible to new people and gives me everything I need to build my own.