Emily Smith

Update: It's not Avian Flu.

It says final diagnosis: hepatitis (bacterial: acineto. baumanii) with a ruptured gall bladder.
AI RRT-PCR was negative.
MG PCR was negative.
MS PRCR was positive.

So now I need to research that and see what I can do to help the rest of the flock.

Jay Angler wrote:

Emily Smith wrote:The most recently sick hen died, and I took her to the state poultry lab today.  So I’m just waiting now.

My fingers are crossed that you figure out what the problem is and are able to help keep your remaining birds healthy.

We can only do what we can do, and it sounds like you've done that, so I also hope you don't let this discourage you.

The birds sound too old for it to be a coccidiosis problem unless they somehow got a sudden heavy exposure? Another remote possibility is some other poisoning. I know that galvanization contains lead as an example.

Thanks! I'm hoping so too.


One thing that popped up was algae poisoning. We use plastic 5-gallon waterers, so no lead, but I don't clean them as regularly as I should, and algae does build up.

Another forum always says my coop is too small, so maybe over crowding is weakening them?  But it's just a roosting and laying spot, and there's plenty of space in between birds when they roost at night. Especially now. I spaced the bars out horizontally a bit more after cleaning, too.  Coop is 80 sqft. Run is 625 sqft for 32 birds originally, now down to 27 for 705 total daytime sqft.  I've always read 10 sqft minimum per bird for wandering, scratching, etc.

So I changed the bedding, cleaned the nest boxes and roosting bars, oiled the roosting bars, cleaned the feed pans.

I used the PoultryDVM symptom checker, and avian flu didn’t come back as even a low possibility.  

The most recently sick hen died, and I took her to the state poultry lab today.  So I’m just waiting now.

I will say she, like the one right before her, died in a possible Marek’s pose.

Thanks, everyone, for the responses!  I'll try to address key points below.

Christopher Weeks wrote:I wouldn't involve the authorities because I want to breed the survivors. The authorities have a different set of priorities.

This is my fear, though I haven't graduated to breeding my birds, so I don't know if it matters if it is Avian Flu and I have survivors.
I don't want to cause an issue or spread a disease, but I also don't want to take unnecessarily drastic measures. I'm not opposed to drastic measures if they're completely necessary. But that's what I can't figure out. I'm afraid to even call the state hotline to ask questions.  I will add that last month, there was a confirmed case in a backyard flock two counties over.

I can certainly clean, but I have a 625 sq.ft. mulched run and use the deep litter method in my hoop coop.  I'm not sure how to clean that apart from taking the bedding down to dirt and putting in fresh shavings, and then cleaning the roosting bars and nest boxes. I do have DE. The run is covered, for whatever it's worth.



The two that died were 2-5 years old. One was definitely 2. The other could have been 2 or 5; I have the same breed from a 2020 flock and a 2023 flock.  
I have another one that's acting sick. Not roosting, not vying for food, losing weight, and today falling side ways. We separated her, and she'll eat on her own. I gave her scrambled eggs.  I haven't checked her for bumblefoot yet, but I didn't think that affected their eating habits. Give the symptoms listed below, it's not sounding good.

I have only processed one bird about 8 years ago, and not for a necropsy. So advice there would be helpful. Otherwise, the closest state poultry lab is 90 minutes away from me and not open on the weekends.

I lost two birds in a week. They just died. No weight loss or funny behavior except not roosting. I buried them, but if another one goes, I plan to take her to the state poultry lab for a necropsy. How fast does it go through your flock, if that’s even what it was?

Another market vendor suggested I go ahead and call the avian flu hotline, but I’m kind of afraid they’ll just take my whole flock.

Is there anything besides ACV that’s good for boosting their immunity?

Should I just take the next one down to the poultry lab? If it's bird flu, won't they kill my entire flock? It's not a big flock, but I still don't want to lose them. I'm also not sure if the state will care about local zoning laws, which my chickens technically violate.  I'm in formerly rural, turning suburban county and live in a neighborhood, fwiw.  We had a case confirmed this month just a few counties over.

I'm also curious about egg withholding; I was selling them but stopped when I lost two in one week.

Any experience or wisdom is appreciated!

Trace Oswald wrote:Common comfrey spreads.  Bocking 4 and 14, which are the ones you most often see for sale, don't spread.  The seeds are sterile so they get bigger around and you can propagate them easily by taking a cutting of a root and planting it somewhere else.  I personally wouldn't plant common comfrey because it's too hard to contain, but I have hundreds of bocking 4 comfrey plants.  Comfrey is certainly one of the best plants if it grows well in your area.  I have sent plants to people nearly everywhere and the only people that  seem to have any issues with it growing are in very hot, dry climates.  I don't know if that would apply to you or not.

Hot and humid.  Real temperature tops out in upper 90s, but heat index can be in low 100s.  Nearly daily pop up storms then random drought.

I've been afraid of it because I've heard it spreads like crazy.  But then skimming here it seems like it might not be suited to Georgia (zone 7b).  I have a couple of apple trees I think might need something.  I've only mulched around it, and keeping that up is getting annoying.  Is comfrey even the best plant?  

If so... where would I find it?  If not, what should go under my trees instead?

After laying out beds and paths and measuring both those and my existing beds, the actual growing area is more like 1,874, with a potential for 2,235 after extending a few beds and creating a few new ones.  That's 24 beds varying from 13' to 43' long and either 30" or 48" and 18" paths for the most part, with a few 4' paths for better access.  Over half of these beds are new, though, and I'm still wrestling with breaking ground and forming the beds/paths.

I rented a rear tine tiller from Sunbelt.  They didn't have the beefy 13hp hydraulic tiller.  Instead, I got one with something between 8-10hp.  I'd heard magical stories about rear tines and how they would break sod and till the dirt at the same time without a ton of muscle from the operator.  This did not do that.  So whether because it didn't have enough power to do it or because those stories are lies, I currently have a relatively shallow till job that will require my dad's front tine to complete (hopefully!).  

I'm left wondering if I could possibly invest in a BCS and then rent it out to area homesteaders (there is no place around here that rents two-wheel tractors) to justify the one-time use of the tiller and/or plough attachments (the tiller seems to disturb the soil less than a plough).  The plan was to get it tilled the first time, then use something less invasive to incorporate amendments (harrow? rake? tilther?).  I can't do it with a broadfork/shovel; it's too much for me.

Eric Hanson wrote:Emily,
1/10 acre is about 4000 sqft.  That’s like a garden 20x200’!  That’s a lot of garden.  Kudos for you for being ambitious.
Eric

I feel crazy rather than ambitious, but I like the positive spin!  That area includes paths, for what it's worth.  My backyard is 1/2 acre fenced, but between a strip that washes out with hard rains (it's like a mini river that floods my neighbor's yard), the chicken run, the drain field, and leaving grass for our dogs to run around on, 1/10 is about all I can easily do.  There's a little hill I could terrace at some point.  And maybe my front yard...  The idea is to sell at least some of what I grow at a local market.  But starting gradually might be a good idea.

Patrick Rahilly wrote:
In that case, a bag of lime from your local nursery wouldn't be bad. $20 (?). be sure to incorporate it (follow the directions on the package). Then get some bulk Whole seeds from your grocery and plant a dense cover crop... I'd look at doing this now in GA. Pick some cool weather plants and help get life back into the soil. Some cool weather plants; mustards, maybe radish, some peas (or sweet peas), brown lentils, wheat, barley, oats... see what is available. You can test germination rate of the seeds you buy in wet paper towels and put them in a jar, check them in a week.  Plant dense and expect to turn it all in in about 2-3 months which should be good timing for your summer transplant crops (which you should probably be starting now).
Hope this helps.
P.

I can get 40 lb. from the feed store for $5.50 and would need 3 of those; I have two plots, one's about 1,000 sq.ft. and doesn't need the lime.  The other is about 3,000 sq.ft.  I'm happy to save money on amendments, so I'll try just the lime and cover cropping.  We'll see what happens after that!