Barbara Manning

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Retired direct marketing professional with a relatively strong understanding of data management. I've lived about half my adult life in Tokyo, Japan, and recently quit city life in favor of the semi-countryside in the mountains near Nikko.  I read a lot, care for two aged cats, and support the Japan Cat Network with donations among other things. Although my brain and eyes get a lot of exercise online, my body is basically a bag of jelly.
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I saw the Garden Mater Course affiliate info page although I cannot provide you with the URL. It asks how you want to be paid and more.

I hope this helps.

J Garlits wrote:Timothy may have started something here, because I've seen a couple posts about pizza. And I mentioned Asian Fusion. So, let's build an Asian Fusion pizza with King  Trumpet Mushrooms as a main ingredient? Once we reach a consensus, those of us hearty enough to build it can have a pizza party (digital) and post the results.

Timothy added the first ingredient with the mushrooms. I'll add a second with the crust: Let's go gluten-free with a nice rice crust with a bit of garlic and chili flakes. Next?

(sorry to hijack your thread, brother...) ;)
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Let me suggest a rich, garlicky bechamel sauce over the rice crust and under the 'shooms.

Easy meal, side or snack: Slice them thick from top to bottom and marinate them with soy sauce and ground fresh ginger (or mix powdered ginger into the soy sauce) before grilling them for a mouthwatering treat. Thanks to Nami Chin at Just One Cookbook.
1 month ago
The collective answer to this question is, no.  For the same reason you don't want to burn poison ivy it also should not be composted. The oils can linger on dead plants - even dead composting plants - for at least 5 years.
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1 month ago

Jr Hill wrote: . . . fried chicken but darn it always makes a mess. Then there is all the leftover oil that won't keep . . ..



Tips:

# Bone in fried chicken should gently boil in the oil.
# Consider using a frying thermometer to regulated the heat  
# Keep the oil between 350°F and 375°F (175°C and 190°C), Don't let the temp drop below 325°F (163°C).
# Bring the chicken to as close to room temperature as you are comfortable with before you bread it. The object is to reduce the range of temp between the oil and the breaded chicken.
# you can partially cover the chicken to reduce the splatter, or
# use the deepest pot you have to contain the splatter.

Oil:
# Make sure you're using an oil with a high enough smoke point. If the oil you're using has a low smoke point then you are burning the oil the first time out in order to cook the chicken. That reduces the oils life.

# strain out the bits if breading, meat and other flotsam in the oil before storing it covered, in a cool, dark place

# consider using just enough oil to cover one layer of chicken when frying. At least this way you're not tossing so much..

I hope that helps.
2 months ago

Matt McSpadden wrote:To summarize what I have learned so far.

1. Add more fat/oil so the temp can be maintained better
2. Use two pans to cook twice as much
3. Use the oven to keep it warm while doing batches, then serve all at once
4. Use something with a higher smoke point than bacon grease.

Now, I'm going to have to try this again and let you all know how it went.



Yay! We both learned something.  Funny thing.   I did a bit of research on rendered pork fat (lard) and rendered beef fat (tallow) but then didn't include it because I thought it was tangential to the subject.  But now that I understand more about why you want to use animal fats, I can include it.

Using animal fats is ok, just understand that animal fats are high in saturated fats, which is thought to be not so healthy for the modern man.  By that I think the medical community means folks who live in cities with desk jobs -- folks like me. Unless we do a lot of exercise, we can't use the saturated fats up fast enough and they lie around in our bodies, primarily around the stomach.  But if your a farm boy or girl, you get a lot of exercise and probably better exercise -- i.e. a full body workout that lasts for 6 to 8 hours a day. I am not a farm girl, but I've been on enough farms to know that my friends who are farmers are far stronger, more agile, and flexible than I will ever be.  See this article from Healthline

And yeah, you're right. Rendered pork and beef fat both have a high smoke point -- higher than what you need for chicken cutlets, so you're good to go to cook with them. See here for pork and here for beef.  

But you are not good to go to cook with bacon grease, I believe. Bacon may be a rendered fat, but it brings a lot of brine, salt and chemical or natural smoke with it -- it depends on the brand and the processing plant. So in my mind, bacon is a highly processed and (probably) chemically smoked meat. And while the fat in it might reach the smoke point you need, it's method of ah, coming into being (for lack of a better way to say it) is far more industrially processed than lard. I suppose that if you cooked enough bacon and filtered the grease to (at least) remove all the meat bits, you could cook the cutlets in a cleaner bacon grease. But you'd still be cooking the chicken cutlets you've just spent hours preparing in a fat that has already been heated (and probably heated right up to the smoke point) once by virtue of the fact that you cooked it for breakfast.  I think that if you are going to go to the trouble to make 10 freakin' POUNDS of chicken cutlets, why would you use 'second time around' grease? Why not go the whole way and use freshly rendered lard?  If I was doing all that work, that's what I would do.

There's an interesting discussion on the topic of pork fat here. It gets more into the nitty gritty differences. One of the responses to @Marcus tells how the author makes bacon that renders a lard that's pure white.  Hint: it's not cook in a skillet.
2 months ago
Ok, so let's say you're cooking 8-10 lbs of boned chicken breast, that's flattened, breaded and pan fried. This narrows the focus, thanks.  Let's assume you're aiming for half pound servings or 16 to 20 pieces. And if I'm reading it right, you're cutting each breast in half, so 32 to 40 pieces. And this is dinner so eating around 6 pm.   You're getting about 5 pieces in the pan. Let's use 4 and call that 1 batch. 32 pcs = 8 batches, 40 = 10 batches. Criminy, that's a lot of pan frying. Let's give it a whirl.

But first. . .  consider using a higher smoke point oil -- any vegetable oil except olive oil. Olive oil is very flavorful and might ah, "flavor" the chicken.  You want to fry the cutlets in oil at about 350°-375°F so Canola Oil (a blended oil) is cheap, plentiful and great for this use. Any vegetable oil will work -- refer to the chart.

You're using bacon fat. Fair enough, but I don't think it's the best fat to cook breaded meats. Here's why. Bacon's Smoke Point is about 25°F lower than what you need to cook breaded meats. So in order to cook breaded chicken to crispy goodness, you have burn the bacon grease. It's also high in saturated fats -- a Bozo No-No according to everyone's doctor. Don't get me wrong, I love bacon and eat it at least once a week, but I don't re-use bacon grease.  More on bacon grease uses here. And yes, he does say you can cook meats in bacon grease -- just not breaded meats.

Back to cooking large quantities of breaded chicken breast.

1. Enlist the aid of a helper. Your efforts will be appreciated much more if there is a witness in the kitchen with you. One of the older kids may be interested.  If not, find an adult who wants to eat.  Don't use a kid who's not interested.

2. Set up everything you're going to need (Mise en Place) -- the pans, utensils, seasonings, breading station, work stations etc. Or at least set up to cut, then flatten the breast, then clean up and set up the breading stations, fry pans and warming oven.  

Watch and consider this method of cutting then flattening the breast from J. Kenzi Lopez-alt.  I think you'll get the thickness more even that way, and that means your cooking times will be more uniform batch to batch. You can cut and flatten the breasts and cut them in smaller pieces the day before or the morning of and put them back in the fridge in a container or plastic bag until it's time to cook.

3. You need 2.5 to 3 minutes per side for each batch, let's say 6 minutes total. So it'll be about a half hour to cook 8 batches in two pans, and about 50 minutes for 10 batches in two pans. This is good news. It means you can hold batches 1 - 7 or 9 in the oven without losing much in the way of crispness.  Just don't make a dog pile of them if you have the room. Consider laying some parchment paper on a sheet pan and spread the cutlets over as much area as you have. If you need to, use two oven pans rather than pile the cutlets on top of one another.  Or, do it the Japan way -- stack the fried food on its edge against one another, instead of on the flat side.

4. Keep the batches in a warm oven -- around 200°F until ready to serve.  You can save yourself a bit of clean up if you have an oven safe platter large enough to hold all the cutlets.  Then just stick that in the oven and stack the cutlets on their edges on it and use mitts to bring it to the table.  If you take the mitts away, it prevents hungry people from grabbing the platter -- they actually have to ask someone to put a few cutlets on their plate. It's also good to have the other foods (except bread) on the table first. Then bring the bread and cutlets to the table at the same time.  Ask me how I know

I hope this helps!
2 months ago
While I can appreciate the pressure cooking method that KFC uses, It also uses specialty equipment specifically made for cooking with oil under pressure. Unless you have the right equipment, don't try it at home.  The Instant Pot method only cooks eight drumsticks per recipe, and it is presuming you have the big IP. I think what you're looking for is to serve a large volume of pan fried chicken all at once to a crowd of say up to 4 adults and 5 kids. That's a way different thing..

Let me check some of my sources but in the meantime I need you to verify this information. My assumptions are
1. you need at least 5 lb of cut up chicken or half a pound per person.
2.you have an oven or other heat source where you can hold the finished pieces at temp or at least a warmer place where the cooked foods may go down to room temperature, and you are ok to serve at that temp.
3. You can cook all the chicken and have it on the table within one hour (kind of a "food safe zone protocol).
4. You have a thermometer that you can use to test the temperature of the oil. If you have an Instant Read thermometer,  you can also test the temp of the food, and reassure yourself that what you're serving is hot enough for your guests. Many home cooks are so accomplished they can tell the temperature by how the food looks. That's not me.

https://chefsamanthageorge.com/deep-fried-chicken-in-a-pressure-cooker/
I scanned her pressure cooker recipe, above.. The recipe says to add 4 to 5 pieces to the pressure cooker depending upon the cooker size, but in the video she's only adds 3 pieces. So yeah the cooking itself is fast  But if you're cooking 20 pieces of chicken that's still a half hour or more. It doesn't include the time you may need to clean the cooking oil, add more oil, and bring it up to temp before you can cook again. Also, she's cooking bone in thighs and legs.  You're cooking chicken cutlets --  boneless, skinless chicken breasts.

If you do not have a pressure cooker and you don't want to buy one then I suggest you bring out your two biggest fry pans. Have all the chicken prepped before you start cooking (or get someone to prep the chicken while you're busy cooking the first two batches) Cook the chicken in both pans so you're doubling your output. Turn on the oven and put the cooked chicken in the oven on low heat to keep it warm. The chicken can be served certainly at a lower temp than what it's been fried at and all the way down to room temp if necessary. I don't think you need to be concerned with serving chicken even if it's at room temperature if it's say under an hour out of the fry pan.

Restaurants will par fry breaded chicken and put it back in the cold room (basically a walk-in refrigerator). Then it may be dusted with flour (or batter,) and deep fried to fully cook it right before it's served. But I don't think you want to go to that kind of trouble

I'll add as I get more info.
2 months ago

Anne Miller wrote:There are 100s of different types of sausage.  What is your favorite?  How do you like to cook it or eat sausage?

I like almost all sausages that I have tried.  There was a store that that
I have a recipe that I like that has pork chops and sausage with potatoes in a tomato sauce that I like though for that recipe I just buy smoked sausage.  



I am always looking for kielbasa or Polish Sausage sausage!  I can't find it in Tokyo (well, I actually can, if I want to pay about 5 times the ah, normal price) and long to make it as I do Italina sausage.
3 months ago
I apologize if this post is unhelpful but https://www.almanac.com/vegetable-gardening-for-beginners may be another source for your beginners
Look to Commercial food service suppliers.  Only accept Food-grade products.  All the comments in here are correct.  The last thing you want to do is poison yourself and family by using long term food storage inappropriately.

If the resources in this link: https://www.google.com/search?q=wholesale+food+service+outlets if that's too large an area to search, ask your local restaurants, delis, hospitals, clinics -- any commercial venue that serves food -- if they will share their suppliers with you.  

Consider also making a relationship with local food service companies. Food handling and management is always managed on a state level, and I don't know about Maine at all, but you could ask them about food containers that they are ah, "retiring."  They may still be good enough for your use. Please understand that most of what you'll be offered will be plastic, but you may be able to repurpose it in other ways than in food storage.  Don't dismiss university level resources, especially if they offer any kind of chef/cooking/kitchen services offering.  Call the admissions office.  If they can't help you, thank them and call later.  It's been my experience that the person answering the phone tells you what they know.  Fair enough, but when you call back you'll probably speak with someone else -- who might know more.

I haven't done any research on it, but certainly the chemical or drug companies also use large food-safe containers.  If there are some in your area, consider calling them for advice.  

Other resources: Wineries, breweries, bakeries, creameries.

Good luck.  I hope you find something that is the size and material you want!

3 months ago