Burra Maluca

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Burra is a hermit and a dreamer. Also autistic, and terribly burned out. I live near the bottom of a mountain in Portugal with my partner, my welsh sheepdog, and with my son living close by. I spend my days trying to find the best way to spend my spoons and wishing I had more energy to spend in the garden.
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I watched quite a few youtube videos of the Omnia being tested yesterday, and came to the conclusion that most people start off burning everything.

I thought that the gas burners they use look pretty fierce to me, and don't seem to come with a little simmering ring, which are pretty standard in Portugal. Looking at the pattern of the way things got burned, it seemed to me that there was far too much heat on the bottom and not enough at the top  so stuff was burning at the bottom but not cooking through properly. Some were also burning on the outside, but I think only when the size of the gas ring was rather excessive in my opinion.

I also thought that these stove-top ovens were designed for fuel economy and were likely used over a physically much smaller flame.

Some of the testers discovered that if you used a 'flame tamer' over the flame, stuff wouldn't burn but, as they also stop the heat rising freely up the central vent, the food takes even longer than normal to cook.

Commenters on the videos seemed split between 'stuff always burns in them' and 'you need a smaller flame!'

The conclusion I came to was that I needed to do my first experiment over a low flame, and the simmering ring on my gas stove would be about right.

Cute rosy mug for scale because I didn't want to burn my bananas...



The ring will turn down more than that, and also the main rings will burn with just the middle bit lit, which I think is even smaller. This seemed a good place to start though.

After a lot of thought, I decided that the first test would involve chouriço. That stuff is already cooked during processing, and is fine if eaten a bit burned or a bit 'raw' so it should be a fairly safe test that yields edible results even if we mess the cooking up first time.

Here's what it looks like cooked on a traditional chouriço cooker.



Austin started setting the oven up. He put the funnel thing in place, that sends the heat up the centre of the oven. Then stuck his hand over to see how effective it was at sending the heat straight up.

It's VERY effective! In fact, it works very much like the heat riser of a rocket mass heater.

And now his hand is all hurty. Or at least 'a little bit ouchy' in his own words.

Sigh...

Anyway, he prepped the chouriço and popped one in each side of the cooker. No grease, just as it was, to see what happened. Then put it over the heat riser and put the lid on, with vents open.

Within a couple of minutes, steam was coming out of the vents and sizzly noises were happening. When he opened it to have a look, it was starting to stick and overcook at the bottom, even on the simmering ring, so he flipped the chouriço over and turned the ring down.

At which point they looked like this...



Cooking time in all was about the same as for any other way of cooking, just using a lot less fuel.

And this is how the meal looked. Not the healthiest in the world, but a classic mix of Portuguese and Brit, with a tin of baked beans and corn bread to go with the chouriço.



I think a future experiment will involve attempting to cook over a tea-light, if I can figure out how to set it up so the candle gets proper air-flow else the heat-riser funnel thing will block the air supply and put it out. I have no idea if it would work, but it would be fun to find out! Sort of a 'how low can you go' test. I'm also quite keen to test it on the rocket mass heater cook-top, but that's not likely to be lit for months now.

Now, what to attempt to cook in it next...
55 minutes ago
The set up my horses had when I was a teenager was accidental but it worked brilliantly - they were the happiest herd of horses I ever saw!

There were four fields. One central one and the other three completely encircling them. There was a river which meandered its way around the one edge of the first field, and then right around the next two fields. Imagine a big U-shaped loop of river with land in the middle.

The horses would graze their way around the whole thing a couple of times a day, always clockwise, occasionally stopping to rest under the trees growing in the hedges, which were very unkempt.

Later in life I bought my own land, which couldn't be arranged like that, and the horses were far less happy and would just stand around eating and not moving most of the time. I think they need some sort of mental path to follow. But I also think they like to graze as they work their way around it.
Woohoo - Austin had to deliver stuff to that job site today and picked it up for me, though it will be hours before they come home.

And he sent photos.  The poor thing really is quite battered...

This is the 'mushroom thing' that was inside it, I guess for safe-keeping so it didn't get lost.



And it fits perfectly into the groove at the bottom of the pan!



View of the inside, with disc and lid in the background.



The lid is designed so that you can adjust the size of the vents by turning it, though apparently it's a bit to dented to allow that to happen freely.

I bet we can fix it up a bit though...



Poor thing looks like it had a brick wall demolished on top of it.



My plushy dragons are singing in anticipation of the new arrival.

Just one Fornetto,
Bring it to me.
A magic oven
To cook our tea.


You must excuse them. They try to keep out of the main threads, but sometimes they manage to work their way in...

2 days ago
I also found another version called the Omnia, which has some cute little videos to demonstrate their use, and also an online recipe book.

And downloadable version here









2 days ago
I don't usually have problems, but today only one image is showing up if try to post more than one.

This post in particular. https://permies.com/t/279425/pan#2935261
Thanks for all the input everyone.

I looked at the wikipedia page for the wonder pot and forwarded the link to my son.

He said that that this photo from the page looks very close to it.



And that this one, of the metal disc that lifts the pot off the fire, reducing and focusing the flame, "looks like the metal mushroom I was failing to describe"



So it does seem to be a Portuguese version of a wonder pot, or stove-top oven.

I rummaged around online and found an Italian version on amazon that looks very similar.



Which seems to be called a Fornetto, so we might have a name for the Dragon when he arrives, if my son is at the same place today and remembers to pick it up for me...

2 days ago
And some thoughts from a friend...

with that reentrancia in the bottom it surely was to make cakes...those which came out with a hole in the middle. But not bolo-rei because it is baked in a tray... I'm thinking of cooking or baking Pão de Ló. I think I remember that Dragão logo in cooking utensílios...



I haven't managed to find any references to pão de ló being steamed though. My friend is, hopefully, going to ask his mother in the morning.
2 days ago
I've extracted a bit more information from my son...

body and lid are aluminium, lid has a broken glass viewing port. vent holes around the lip in both body and lid


He said the hollow bit goes

"right up to the lid" ... "there's a sort of iron mushroom thing inside that covers the opening in the top of the hole"


Which confirms that it IS a hole, not just a hollow.

I asked about how the lid fits

it's supposed to fit around a lip and rotate to allow more or less vent holes, but is too dinged up to move easily.
just pushes on. with some effort now


Also...

my first thought when I saw the shape of the underside was "bunt pan", but it's quite small for that

2 days ago
It looks like the big hollow bit at the bottom might be an actual hole, and that combined with the vents does suggest steam.

Austin suggested it might have been a way to steam ring shaped cakes, maybe like the traditional bolo rei. But I thought they were baked, not steamed.
2 days ago