Jonathan de Revonah

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Aerial tubers aren’t always easy to source. I’ve bought some from Interwoven Permaculture Nursery and Daisy/David the Good’s Etsy shop.

The only species that I’m aware of that are cold hardy are: polystachya and japonica, with the former being hardier than the latter.
True yams are from the dioscorea genus. They look very different from sweet potatoes. They’re oddly shaped and their skin is rough. They can have stubborn dormancy and hate the cool even more than sweet potatoes do (except for the hardy species).

I found “ratalu” purple yam at a local Indian store. I think this is synonymous with what Filipinos call Ube, which I believe is the species Dioscorea alata.

Getting them to break dormancy is an enigma to me. I think that ultimately they will do so on their own terms. They seem to want to be hot and humid, but definitely not wet. Finding the sweet spot in terms of moisture was difficult for me. They will rot if soaked for too long, and perhaps shouldn’t be soaked at all.

Mine started sprouting after the following procedure. I soaked them in water overnight (<12hrs). As soon as I took them out of the bucket of water, I dabbed them off and put them under a strong fan to dry their exterior. My thought process was to rehydrate them but prevent mold from forming. Then, after I thought their skins had thoroughly dried, I wrapped them in towels (intended to moderate the humidity from becoming too excessive) such that they were not touching each other and were completely surrounded by the towel. Then, I took the whole wad of towel-encased yams and put it in a single plastic grocery bag, loosely-tied, and placed it in a warm-ish location. Within a few days, I could see little round nubs starting to protrude from their rough, brown skin. When they emerged, the new growth was a beautiful bright purple.

Unfortunately, many of them also started growing a white mold on the outside surface. I freaked out about the mold and over treated them with elemental sulfur, which I think set them back. In hindsight, I probably should have tried gently blasting it off with water from the hose and/or treating with H2O2. Heck, maybe I could’ve just ignored the mold and just planted them as is. It’s hard to say.

It’s unclear whether anything I did induced their breaking dormancy. They may have done it without any intervention on my part.

They bounced back from the sulfur treatment and are currently doing well. I think I got lucky with the timing of them breaking dormancy which corresponded well with our weather warming up. In my Pennsylvania climate, I doubt they’ll be anything more than a curiosity and an ornamental.

Despite all of the finicking I did with these, I recently discovered a hunk of yam that I had thought was rotten and subsequently disposed of on the ground, completely forgetting about it. That was weeks ago. Just a couple days ago, I discovered that it had put down roots through the lawn and is growing without any special treatment whatsoever. What gives?

I’m hoping to be able to bring some of these inside and sustain as houseplants through the winter. The foliage alone is really pretty.

I didn’t have much luck finding any literature on this topic with clear answers or instructions. If anyone can provide any, I’d appreciate it. I figured I’d just experiment with them and thankfully I was successful at at least not killing them.

Also, David the Good has a lot of information on yams on his YouTube and blog.

Best of luck.
I try to plant my slips so there is one more node underground than aboveground. By having the balance skewed slightly more towards roots, it’s less stressful for the plant to establish itself. Therefore, I try to cut slips such that they have an odd number of nodes, usually three or five, depending on internodal distance (which varies by variety). If your nodes are further apart from one another, slips with three nodes will be easier to work with than five, which may make for excessively long slips. If your nodes are more tightly spaced, five will make more sense. Experiment with it and see what works for you.

Another tip: don’t plant your slips upright like a tree sapling. Instead, lay them down horizontally so that when the nodes develop into storage roots, it gives them more space from one another and prevents them from crowding each other out. This makes planting easier overall because you don’t need to dig holes for each slip. Just make a trench with a hoe and lay them down. The only caveat is that you may need to stay on top of watering more frequently, especially early on, due to planting more shallowly.

1 month ago
After a decade of silence, I wanted to resurrect this thread in case anyone has gained any experience with these two ipomoea species in the meantime. I have started seeds of both. I’m ready to plant them out. Any advice? Has anyone tried them in containers?
2 months ago
Anyone here from zones 6 or 7 that has had any experience, advice, successes growing true yams?

Donna Lynn wrote:Had to upvote Jonathan's post, not because of the song or Brak (whatever THAT creepy thing is...) but because ---- SPACE GHOST!!!   Haven't seen him since I was a little kid watching Saturday morning cartoons in suburbia in the '60s.  



I’ve never even seen the show, but when I was a kid, my buddy and I would listen to this CD and thought it was hysterical. It’s just a bunch of silly songs 😆

https://www.amazon.com/Space-Ghosts-Surf-Turf-Tiki-Torched/dp/B000009NJA
8 months ago

Mk Neal wrote:I did not end up trying it again this year, I grew a different variety of corn that had little wimpy stalks that did not look worth the effort.

Thanks for sharing the resources, good to see this really was a thing people used to do!



There’s not too much to be found online about this. I did come across this brief post:

https://fermentpittsburgh.com/2022/08/20/making-old-fashioned-corn-syrup/

I wonder if one of the giant varieties that take forever for the cobs to mature would be good for this, such as a silage corn like Shumway’s Goliath. I’d imagine the stalks would be massive at 15’ tall and most of the sugar would be circulating throughout the stalk before becoming concentrated in the corn cobs when they mature. I’m guessing you’d want to harvest the stalks before the kernels are at the milk stage. There’s probably even a science to the flow that would make it advantageous to harvest in the morning vs. the evening, etc. It would be interesting to know more about this. It’s amazing that this plant can be used in so many different ways.
8 months ago
On a more serious note, apparently both the American Indians and American colonists practiced this…

https://minuteman.boards.net/thread/978/another-stupid-question-corn?page=2
8 months ago