Derek Thille

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I just came across this YouTube video in my feed on the history of socks and thought it was appropriate to share here.


2 days ago
I was out today and I moved some snow.  One challenge for us with this property in winter is that the lack of tracks makes it quite obvious the house isn't lived in and it's in a fairly prominent location on a reasonably busy road.  So, when the weather is good and my schedule allows, I strive to head out and at least make tracks.

I did scare up a white-tailed jackrabbit...managed to get a photo with my phone, but at a distance, so it isn't great.


2 days ago
I remember in a university course writing a report on the book The Suffering Self.  While it isn't specifically about grief, it raises for me how much we have changed as a society (speaking of present North American society) and not necessarily for the better.  I think I kept the book...perhaps it would be worthwhile to see if I can dig it out...that could be an interesting search.

This thread also reminded me of my father's passing in 2002.  I think my sister was still in the same city, but the two of them didn't have a very good relationship.  My oldest brother was a couple hours drive away (at least...he moved a lot over the years) and my other brother and I were in separate provinces, so we children all started processing our grief separately.  He had a girlfriend - Mom had passed in 1997.  Some time later (perhaps around Christmas that year), she sent my oldest brother a very dark letter.  I remember she noted how none of us cried at the funeral as Dad had predicted.  What she got wrong is that is how Dad had raised us and that we had actually started the grieving process after his first diagnosed heart attack in 1993.  While we didn't suffer a loss at that time, it was a very real reminder of his mortality.  We had also been working through (in whatever fashion each of us did) the loss of our mother and we'd had other losses.  We had all met the girlfriend, but none of us had a significant relationship with her.  She didn't know us well enough to know how we were processing it.  To note we didn't cry at the funeral implied we didn't feel and didn't cry.  She Who Must Be Obeyed was certainly aware that I shed tears - we both did, but that was at our home after hearing the news days before the funeral.

This thread also brings to mind to me the 8 forms of capital.  Social capital, or community, can help us get through life events like this.  Spiritual capital is also very important dealing with things like loss.
2 days ago
It depends...the perennial answer.

Two years on, I'm sure the original poster either made a map of their property...or didn't.

I really appreciate George's answer.

I think there are a few important principles, a number of which have already been touched on.

First, if we are going to make a map / plan, who is it for?  As noted, for taking a PDC, creating layouts is an important part of being able to communicate an idea, particularly with respect to land.  A PDC student attempting to earn a PDC certificate needs to be able to communicate their ideas to the instructor / mentor as evidence that they understood the concepts that were taught and can apply constraints to their design.  If you need others to help implement your design, whether friends and/or family in a permaculture blitz, or professionals you hire to implement part of your plan, then some representation is crucial.  Of course, if you are designing for someone else, the map or layout is likely necessary as part of the deliverable of the design.  Would you want someone to just start building without and architect's or engineer's blueprint to guide them?

Another item is how we see things and understand them.  Some people can see and understand a layout and others don't really get it.  We're all different.

Observe and interact - this is a key principle.  If you've been on a property for some time, long enough to have seen what happens in various seasons and conditions like moisture, water flow, sun and shadows and such, and you are doing the project for yourself, then perhaps you don't need one.  

As others have noted, it can also be a long term tool to keep track of what is done, what is yet to be done, and what is where.  It's also something that may be quite appreciated when the property changes hands at some point in the future.  

Now, I hope I don't type this too harshly...a map or layout is not a permaculture design in and of itself.  It can be a tool to help visualize what is happening on the property (such as water flow, shade, etc) and it can be a communication device to help someone else understand what the plan is.  It can be a visual of part of your design, but permaculture isn't just about designing a garden along certain principles.  Store and capture energy is another permaculture principle - it could be difficult to represent things like elevation changes and that impact on design that has (water flows downhill, or being able to plan your rounds / chores by moving on contour than uphill and downhill and back).  Of course, the more complex, and the larger the design becomes, the more important this can be.  Imagine if Wheaton Labs, in the mountains of western Montana, didn't take elevation into account.

Part of the question was how to make it fun.  That also depends on what is fun to you.  For some people, sketching with pencil and paper and a geometry set is fun, for others it may be a computerized design tool, for others, cutout representations, for others a diorama (paper mache, clay / play dough, Lego, or other materials) may be fun.  It seems to me I've seen, or perhaps heard of, someone creating a layout in Minecraft.  For folks in a relationship or family, perhaps working something out together could be fun (and the others may take more ownership if they were involved).

For me, looking at a layout of our plantings and gardens, I work with She Who Must Be Obeyed.  If we don't have a plan communicated as to what goes where, we often wind up with one disappointed that something didn't wind up where they think it ought to go (or where it was in their mind's eye).  I'm trying to use an online garden planning tool called Seedtime.  I've got some of our layout done, but it's more than that as you can also input your crops (and there's a planning calculator that can suggest how much of something you want to plant) and it will suggest when to plant, transplant, or harvest based on your growing zone and average frost dates.  If I can get the layout there completed, then it's another planning tool in our toolbelt and can conceivably reduce some family feuding.


2 days ago
The colder we get the quieter we are?

Those blasted grey squirrels...mind you, they have more meat than the reds...at least the type we have in this neck of the woods.
2 days ago

Derek Thille wrote:Another thing to consider is seasonality of supply availability.  By that I mean the season snow shovels are available in the big box stores doesn't necessarily jive with when an area gets snow.  Many of them have those items in a "seasonal" area and around here, the shovels are gone and the lawn mowers and such are on display well before the snow is melted (similar to trying to find summer clothing at the end of summer...shorts are replaced with parkas on display when you don't want to even be thinking about cooler weather.



To back up this point, this morning (January 23), I received an email from Canadian Tire (national chain store that now carries nearly everything but lumber and food) advertising patio furniture and BBQ tools.  We're just coming out of what has perhaps been the coldest spell of the winter so far.  Sigh.
3 days ago

Douglas Alpenstock wrote:

Derek Thille wrote:True enough, but we are both in an area that regularly experiences winter, so those items are available.  I was thinking back to the original question for those who may be in an area where snowy weather is less of a predictable occurrence, so there may not be the abundance you have available.


Cheers neighbour! Good point! Here's a thought -- I rarely have a full snow shovel in my car. Instead I always have a garden spade (not a shovel) with a sharp bevel. This is the do-everything tool, from moving snow and chopping ice, to moving wood chips and compost, to digging trees and chopping down weeds/saplings. In my world, it does all of these things. I suppose it could even be the basis of a few Klingon self-defence moves, at the risk of straining something.



ROFLMAO...a bat'leth it is not.  Let's hope you don't piss off any Klingons.

For the vehicles, I generally use a small square shovel with a D handle so they're short enough to fit in the various vehicle configurations (I used to have a bigger one in the back of the pickup, but the handle died).  She Who Must Be Obeyed purchased one of those three-way folding spades...darn near useless as far as I'm concerned, but it doesn't take much space and would be much more effective than a scraper should one find themselves in a snowbank.
5 days ago

Douglas Alpenstock wrote:

Derek Thille wrote:Another thing to consider is seasonality of supply availability.  By that I mean the season snow shovels are available ...  


Depends on your supply source. It helps to be a contrarian -- in late spring/ early summer, during garage-clean-out season, I have my pick of free snow shovels that have a ding or two and need my attention for about 5 minutes. When I look at what big box stores charge for a hunk of plastic on a stick, I'm pretty sure I make more than a lawyer.



True enough, but we are both in an area that regularly experiences winter, so those items are available.  I was thinking back to the original question for those who may be in an area where snowy weather is less of a predictable occurrence, so there may not be the abundance you have available.
5 days ago
I'm not sure I really have anything of value to add, but here's a few thoughts.

Our biggest limitation is probably our kitchen design...four doors off a roughly square room means it isn't a good space to get anything done, especially if one is not doing a good job of policing their workspace (i.e. cleaning up, doing dishes as they're made, etc).  It just turns out we don't have much counter space which makes things a bit more difficult.  We do wind up using the dining room table at times.

That said, our adult daughter made 4 sourdough loaves one day recently...it's helpful that a cooler on the back porch these days is extra freezer space.

I had actually signed up for a sourdough course some time since the lockdowns began.  She Who Must Be Obeyed and I, along with our daughter, took most of it in.  This was one of those folks who weighs everything and was very precise.  Yet, she'd be weighing water without thinking (1 ml of water has a mass of 1 g...so if you need 100 grams of water, it's 100 ml...you don't need to slowly drip from a container - just measure about how much you need by volume, then you can fine-tune with the scale if you'd like).  She used a stiff starter, which she raved about, but we struggled with a bit.  After we got started with it, over time we adjusted what we did and got a bit less finicky.  At least it was a starting point for us.  She Who Must Be Obeyed wound up getting some starter from one of her colleagues and that worked better for us.  This course did give us some nice recipes, including some based on discard.

We follow a YouTube channel from Azerbaijan.  It's such a change of pace when the grandmother is baking - I don't think we've ever seen her measure anything.  She bakes yeast-based breads, of quite a variety, and typically in a wood-fired environment.  You wonder if things are pre-measured without the camera around, but it certainly doesn't seem that way.  The other thing I take away from her baking and cooking is that, with all the animals around, they do fine...in an environment that would give a North American health inspector a heart attack.  On a side note, when we visited Peru was probably the first time I had such a thought about health inspectors.  At any rate, baking like this is a good reminder that our grandmothers and great-grandmothers certainly didn't have the digital scales we use today attempting to be so exacting.  My father was one of seven - he'd said my grandmother baked bread daily.  She passed away when I was about 3, but my vague recollection was that every time we stopped by (same small town), there were always cookies.

In line with Dale's comment, decades ago when I left home, I wound up with the "Cookbook for College Kids" - I don't recall bread being in there, but there was some baking.  It was done in a style to make things in the kitchen simpler, especially for those who may not have had an example that helped them get a start.  Aside from learning stuff growing up, I worked part-time at the local bakery for three years in high school, so I did manage to pick up a few things.

Duncan - I feel for you.  I have striven to cut back on baked goods.  We aren't in any sort of a strict diet, but I take solace in the statement that sourdough is better for you.  I don't know if that's just a line, but it makes me feel better.  In my health journey that I started nearly 4 years and 30 odd pounds ago, I've come to believe that it's more about real food that is ideally chemical free and as close to origin as possible (that is, I'd rather have cheese that doesn't list a bunch of extra ingredients when you know it comes from a bacterial process with milk).  I've also come to believe that bio-individuality is why there can be so many different diets that are backed by medical professionals that show positive results for people, even when they're opposite.  Now to get off that tangent.

As others have noted, I think there needs to be some acknowledgement about the variations that climate can have - temperature, humidity, elevation (related to air pressure I believe) and so forth.  Baking in Denver isn't the same as baking in New Orleans.  If people can be armed with some of the rules of thumb (i.e. for this much elevation, add/remove this much of X).

I'd also enjoy seeing a discussion of flours and the properties thereof as well as different types of grains and the impact that can have on your baking.  As has been noted by others, we try to use more whole wheat flour, but it's a bit challenging getting it right.

I'd also like to see variations...things you can try...make it fun...do something out of the ordinary.

Now that I've blathered on too long I should shut down.  I'm not the primary baker in our household, but I do some.
6 days ago
Another thing to consider is seasonality of supply availability.  By that I mean the season snow shovels are available in the big box stores doesn't necessarily jive with when an area gets snow.  Many of them have those items in a "seasonal" area and around here, the shovels are gone and the lawn mowers and such are on display well before the snow is melted (similar to trying to find summer clothing at the end of summer...shorts are replaced with parkas on display when you don't want to even be thinking about cooler weather.

I forget if it was spring or fall a while ago, but I was looking for something late season...according to the web site, the Canadian Tire store I checked had stock so I went there to find the display area had moved on a season...the staff told me that the store stock listed would be in the back warehouse, and they couldn't be depended upon to find what I was after...sigh.

So, I guess the lesson is that if you think you may want a snow shovel in the northern hemisphere, get it now (January) because if you wait a month, they may be tough to find.  Alternatively, you could set yourself a reminder to check around September for next winter.

It seems I'm always wanting oddball things...sigh.  Oh, hey, look, it's up to -29C in mid-afternoon (-20F).  This too shall pass....

6 days ago