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Socks Socks Socks!! Is there such a thing as Permies socks?

 
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The title says it all.  I am making this thread as a spinoff from Jay’s 5 clothing item thread HERE:

https://permies.com/t/256192/buy-items-clothing-year

But the basic question revolves around a frustrating problem I have with socks—modern socks seem to be such low quality!!  Basic cotton socks wear through in a very short time.  Wool socks are a bit better, but are expensive and still don’t last.  I have tried various sock varieties, but none seem to pass my basic test.  For the purposes of this thread, I am wondering if anyone has found socks that fulfill the following requirements:

1.  Must be durable!!  This is obvious.

2.  Must be affordable.  I will pay extra, but the price must be justified in longevity.

3.  This might be the hardest to qualify—a sock that is Permie-approved.  By this, I mean that it is produced sustainably, uses no or limited bleaches, dyes, etc. in the process.  If it is cotton, it might have to be organic cotton.

Breaking all of this down, it might be easiest to qualify the first two categories first.  The last one is going to be a challenge and that’s fine as long as we get the conversation started.  I will say that for all the popularity of cotton, I have very serious reservations about its Permines.  Cotton is very hard in land, requires lots and lots of fertilizer, inputs and nasties.  There is organic cotton which side-steps these, but cotton still has issues.  There are considerable energy inputs, even in organic cotton, and the list goes on.  To be clear, I am NOT opposed to cotton—in fact I find cotton socks really hard to beat in summer heat.  I am merely pointing out how hard it is to Permie-qualify for even a fairly benign fabric such as cotton.

So what do you think?  Does anyone have quality socks that actually last?  If so, where can I find them?!  

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I find the quest for a well wearing Permie-approved sock to be noble but difficult as well.

The closest I have found that wears well tend to be wool blends, but it is the synthetic fibers that help them wear better. I wonder if certain types of wool or cotton wear better than others?
 
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Timothy, you just highlighted one of the truisms that I see in socks that is frustrating from a Permie standpoint.  Yeah, mixed cotton-synthetic or wool-synthetic blends are probably the best wearing, most durable sock and give the best performance (stay warm, etc.).  But then right there, we are already talking about synthetics!  In fact, I am pretty much certain that even the most plain cotton socks are not actually %100 cotton but have at least some portion of spandex (relatively new socks--last 25 years or so) or some elastic.  In fact, I am pretty much certain that virtually ALL socks since approximately the late 40s (?) have been made with some type of elastic fiber as prior to that they were held up by leg gators (think 1920s fashion).  I have no desire to revert to leg gators.

I don't suppose that there is some type of Permie-approved synthetic elastic fiber is there?  If so what would it be and would/could it be incorporated into a sock to keep it stretchy and still be durable AND affordable?  I have no idea.


All that said, you are probably right that the mixed-blend socks are the most affordable and durable ones currently available.  At the moment my favorite socks are bamboo socks from Amazon.  They are thick like a wool sock, but they are very soft and smooth like a cotton sock (absolutely no itch!).  But I am not clear on the manufacturing process of bamboo fibers--I have heard that the actual fabric is not bamboo at all, and these socks are not cheap, nor are they durable.  Sadly, they probably don't make the cut right there, but my tootsies sure like them!


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Hi Eric,

I often wonder what the operational definition if 100% is in the clothing industry.  I have repeatedly seen 100% cotton shirts with plastic buttons.
 
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You might consider Darn Tough socks. They are made in Vermont, USA: https://darntough.com

The company prides itself on durability and sustainability. All products come with an unconditional lifetime guarantee. These socks are popular with the hiking community for being nearly indestructible in harsh conditions.

Most of their socks are merino wool with a lesser percentage of synthetics.

All products are 3rd party tested to rigorous chemical standards and are free of PFAS (forever chemicals).

Here is more information about their sustainability practices, materials, and chemical testing: https://darntough.com/pages/sustainability
 
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I have a book at home (I'll track it down and post the title on edit - Edit: The book is "Simple Socks" by Priscilla A Gibson-Roberts) which gives sizing rules and patterns for knitting custom fitted socks.  I am hoping to be able to convert the hand knitting instructions to sock loom (hand knits are usually turned, as best I remember, so that knits and purls would need to be interchanged on odd - or even - rows for the knitting loom, since you always work the "right" side of the article on a knitting loom; whether there is any more to this pattern conversion, I can't remember - increases and decreases might need some finessing, too).  My mother made sure all of us kids knew how to knit, crochet, sew on a button, weave on a frame loom (potholders, mainly), darn socks, make gravy, etc.  It's been a while since I have knitted anything, but I just sewed on a button the other night (I used a wood screw, not a match stick, to space the button out from the shirt - that probably wouldn't have passed muster!).  I have a large Knitting Board loom, and a small KB sock loom, both obtained used, but in as-new condition.  Knitting is a winter project, so it's all back burnered while I try to beat the turn of the weather on outdoor projects.

(As an aside, I have a friend - now in his early 80s - who ended up being a medic in Vietnam because his drill instructor noticed that he sewed a patch on his uniform with some degree of skill compared to the other draftees.  Since he could sew on a patch, he was a shoo-in to sew up the wounded, and that was that.  I'm sure his mother had no idea how handy her sewing lessons would prove to be!  He parlayed his compulsory service into an engineering degree via the GI Bill, went on to grad school and a PhD, then taught a couple of generations of engineering students vehicle dynamics and - eventually - hybrid vehicle design.)

In any case, the aforementioned book gives a pattern for making socks with replaceable heels and toes.  That is, you can unravel and then re-knit heels, toes or both, while the basic structure of the foot and cuff remains stable.  This allows you to replace (rather than just darn) the entire heel or toe of a sock, which tend to be the high wear areas.  I usually wear out heels, but other people, with different bone structure and footwear, may wear out toes first.  This is not to denigrate a proper darning job (look up Swiss darning on YouTube for instructions, if unacquainted), but there is only so much you can do, at some point.  Knitting socks which are suited to an in-frame overhaul from the outset is an interesting idea.

I am a big fan of wool or wool-blend socks, but I tend to have sweaty feet and live in a cool temperate climate (winter temps rarely colder than 0F/-20C, but sometimes -25F/-32C during a cold snap).  If someone did not have this personal quirk or lived in a warmer climate, cotton, linen or hemp might work just fine.  The old "Wigwam" ragg wool socks (I think they had ~10% nylon, the remainder wool) used to be very long wearing for me, but the last couple of pairs have exhibited a disappointingly short life.  I'm not sure if the socks have changed, or if I (or my footwear choices) made the difference.  In any case, I have pretty much given up on them.

Another possibility, but much slower than knitting, is nailbinding (nalbinding, with a little circle diacritical mark over the "a").  Unlike knitting, this uses what is basically a single darning needle to loop the yarn through the existing work - sort of a loopy blanket stitch.  Short sections (~6 feet or 2 meters long) of yarn are traditionally joined with a "spit splice" - ends of yarn sections felted together - to continue the work.  If using something other than wool (which cannot be felted together), the joins can be knotted together, but for socks, I don't think you'd want the knots underfoot, so wool would be the preferred choice, I think.  The advantage of nailbinding is that it will not unravel if the yarn breaks when snagged.  Very hard wearing, and has been used for something like 4000 years to make socks, mittens, hats and other outerwear.  There are some threads on these forums about nailbinding.  I haven't played with it in any serious way, I just know of it.  As in many things, I'm a bit of a dilettante in this area of endeavor, as well.

An old-fashioned approach to dealing with worn socks was to wear long knitted tube socks.  After you wore through the heel, you'd rotate the sock around your foot 180 degrees.  After you wore through that, you'd chop off the worn out parts, and re-tie the toe to lather-rinse-repeat the cycle.  I've never done this, but I've seen mention of it in books about sourdoughs - miners and trappers and so on in the Far North.  I prefer socks with some shape to them, not tube socks, since I - tenderfoot that I am - can't stand to have wrinkles or creases in my socks, whether on top or under foot.  People were clearly made of sterner stuff in the old days - born with the bark on 'em!

I have seen videos on YouTube of people disassembling high-priced designer wool sweaters acquired from thrift stores to salvage the yarn to remake into other projects.  Sometimes, fine gauge yarn is "plied" to make thicker yarn, more suitable for the new purpose.  Depending on how the sweater (or other larger article of clothing) was manufactured, you might end up with some short lengths of yarn near seams.  Many higher class articles are made as completed knitted panels with all of the shaping built in, then joined together.  Cheaper goods may be knitted as generic flat yard goods, then cut out and sewn (or maybe sewn, then cut?).  This is beyond my ken.  Anyway, it seems very thrifty and resource mindful to repurpose yarn from one article of clothing to make another.

Regarding cotton:  I am reliably informed that there have been huge strides made in the culture of cotton by using Johnson-Su compost extract on broad-acre cotton fields in Turkey.  This may help to make industrial scale cotton agriculture more sustainable in the future.
 
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Melisa,

You have an interesting point about having socks which, though they do contain synthetics, at least are PFAS free.  I wonder if synthetics need to be on some sort of sliding scale?  

Just an idea,

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I wear exclusively cotton socks in summer and wool in winter. Both DO have some synthetic fiber in them (generally less than 10% for cotton). I've had great luck with Maggie's organics. They offer some socks with < 1% spandex.  

A family member once had a pair of socks from Eastern Europe (can't remember exact country of origin), but they lasted over 30 years apparently. They didn't look like anything special, possibly a cotton blend.
 
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I've come across some sheep / alpaca farmers who sell socks made from their fleece on hand cranked circular sock knitting machines. Or 100% wool socks from small woolen mills. Learning how to darn socks can greatly extend their longevity.

A lot of the commercial brands are wool blends with nylon, which does add some strength. Sane with a lot of hand knit socks - most of the yarns sold to hand knitters for making socks have some nylon in there, but I've come across some with something like hemp or linen instead and some that are 100% wool.

Someone mentioned bamboo. Almost all bamboo fabrics are a kind of viscose rayon just using bamboo as the source of cellulose rather than wood. Viscose rayon uses some pretty nasty chemicals; the lycocell process for rayon is much cleaner (often under the Tencel name).

Nylon is at the top of my list for useful synthetic fibers, Acrylic is at the bottom in large part because it's worst for shedding microplastics.

For Darn Tough, my experience has been that they're good socks, lasting me several years, but certainly not indestructible (which is probably too much to ask of a sock!). In particular, mine start to develop areas where the wool has worn away and only the nylon is left, and then after a long time like that eventually they get a hole. Those were their thinnest "lifestyle" socks with no cushioning though, the more recent ones I've bought have been more light-mid cushion versions though I've only had those a year or two.
 
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Knit your own.

Seriously, this is the most sustainable alternative. Not only do you have full control over the content, but hand-knit socks fit better than any commercial sock could ever dream about. The process is gentle and a good way to occupy your hands in otherwise quiet moments. (Long drive and you’re a passenger? Socks! Plane flight? Socks! Cold gloomy day? Socks!) And I guarantee that after you have knit your own custom socks from precious wool in just the right colors and fit and length for you…you will darn them. You will care about what happens to those socks, so you will wash them appropriately, check them for thin spots before they develop holes, and reinforce those thin spots. You’ll make those socks last.

Handmade socks are why I learned to knit. I’ve made well over a hundred pairs, and the magic of socks has never left me.
 
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