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Socks Socks Socks!! Is there such a thing as Permies socks?

 
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Derek Thille wrote:The giant hobbit at Wheaton Labs can often be seen outside barefoot (perhaps not in winter though).


I think if you go back in winter you will be surprised...
 
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Wow!  So many excellent posts and ideas.

Wool definitely looks like one of the more promising candidates.  And as been mentioned, not all wool is scratchy/itchy—some wool is downright luxurious!

Perhaps a sock could be made with different layers?  Maybe a more durable outside layer and a more skin friendly inside layer?  Naturally I am thinking about warm, winter socks as although I love winter and cold weather, my feet get cold easily.

I remember that about 20-25 years ago, I could find long underwear that was constructed of 75% silk, 25% wool.  It was supposed to be both very warm and very skin friendly.  Naturally, I can’t find this anymore and I never bought any (wish I had though) as I did by 100% silk long underwear as a great base layer that was skin friendly, warm and so thin and smooth that it was extremely easy to layer on top of it.  All of this makes me wonder if a sock made of a silk/wool combination might be perfect—warm, skin friendly, durable and retain some elasticity without synthetics?

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I am going to try Zkano in Fort Payne, AL.  
 
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I thought I'd seen something in a presentation from The Industrial Commons in Morganton, NC about a partner making socks, but I'm not finding it.  I'll have to see if I can go back and find the presentation and see whether my memory is OK or completely out to lunch.
 
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Derek Thille wrote:

Timothy Norton wrote:
Perhaps there's another way of looking at things.  Why socks?  Are socks necessary?  There are cultures where socks generally aren't worn.  The giant hobbit at Wheaton Labs can often be seen outside barefoot (perhaps not in winter though).  Are socks just a social construct to sell something?  Where footwear is needed (say cold regions or perhaps rocky locales), is there a footwear type that can be used without socks?  Just throwing it out for some perhaps outside the box pondering.



I suppose the primary purposes of socks are 1) warmth 2) prevent blisters 3) help manage foot moisture and 4) a washable layer between the foot and boot to keep them cleaner.

Knitting is a relatively modern technique, only several hundred to perhaps a thousand or so years old. Prior to that there was "single needle knitting" often known as naalbinding or several other spellings. Oldest known socks were made using that technique and are less than 2000 years old.

Another foot covering is known as Footwraps and were used by some Eastern European millitaries into the modern era (Russia had stopped but apparently started again with their current mobilization); also leg wraps sometimes referred to as Puttees.

I can attest, however, that wearing socks greatly improves how warm I feel when it's even a little cool (and I should really go put some on right now!)

 
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Eric Hanson wrote:Perhaps a sock could be made with different layers?  Maybe a more durable outside layer and a more skin friendly inside layer?  Naturally I am thinking about warm, winter socks as although I love winter and cold weather, my feet get cold easily.



I have some socks that are double layer (WrightSock). The ones I have are fully synthetic, they wear pretty well and I've only fairly recently been throwing out my oldest pairs after over a decade, though I mostly wear them for running or long walks. I see they have some where the inside layer is synthetic and the outer layer is wool/synthetic blend. Double sock systems are also used by hikers sometimes (you can find socks sold as "liner socks").

Hand knit socks are typically thicker and so might not work so well as double layers if both are hand knit, but it's certainly an idea to use a lighter commercial sock inside a hand knit sock out of durable but slightly scratchy wool,
 
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Permaculture socks!  So much fun to have this thread

If you like to buy stuff...
Azure Standard has mostly organic wool socks.

https://www.azurestandard.com/shop/product/household-family/clothing/socks/hiking/wool-socks-mountain-hiker-blackgrey-adult-9-11-organic/11781?package=NF506

My family has been wearing these for years and they tolerate all kinds of hard treatment.



If you like to make things...
You could knit a pair of socks and get 4 badge bits for the S.K.I.P. program!  .  






Prepare the wool

https://permies.com/wiki/148266/pep-textiles/prepare-wool-spinning-PEP-BB




Spin the yarn

https://permies.com/wiki/151939/pep-textiles/spin-yarn-textile-straw-spin#1189240




Plying the yarn will make the socks more durable.

https://permies.com/wiki/148264/pep-textiles/Spin-ply-yarn-PEP-BB



Knit the socks!

https://permies.com/wiki/150301/pep-textiles/Knit-pair-socks-PEP-BB



 
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I could be wrong but...The socks I was able to buy years ago (they lasted that long as I wore them everyday. Can't do bare feet) aren't available anymore. The "best quality" (wool and expensive)  lasts exactly one Winter. I don't know if good/best socks exist anymore....I sure can't find them
 
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Eric Hanson wrote:Wow!  So many excellent posts and ideas.

Wool definitely looks like one of the more promising candidates.  And as been mentioned, not all wool is scratchy/itchy—some wool is downright luxurious!

Perhaps a sock could be made with different layers?  Maybe a more durable outside layer and a more skin friendly inside layer?  Naturally I am thinking about warm, winter socks as although I love winter and cold weather, my feet get cold easily.

I remember that about 20-25 years ago, I could find long underwear that was constructed of 75% silk, 25% wool.  It was supposed to be both very warm and very skin friendly.  Naturally, I can’t find this anymore and I never bought any (wish I had though) as I did by 100% silk long underwear as a great base layer that was skin friendly, warm and so thin and smooth that it was extremely easy to layer on top of it.  All of this makes me wonder if a sock made of a silk/wool combination might be perfect—warm, skin friendly, durable and retain some elasticity without synthetics?

Eric



In the interest of sounding funny, as I am a mans-man in every way, and would know that if you were ever to meet me... I learned about ten years ago a different way of dealing with thermal underwear.

Long John's for me were the go too, but also very itchy. So I went to wearing sweat pants under my jeans to stay warm in the winter weather that I work outside in. In Maine that typically means from July 5th to July 3rd, but that is just a joke. But sweat pants, while not itchy, were super bulky.

The one winter day when it was about 20 below and blowing 20 mph, my wife let me use her leggings as a second layer under my jeans.

Say whatever you want, but now I just wear soft leggings under my jeans in the cold. They are not bulky, wick away moisture, are not itchy and very, very warm. I have been doing this now for about 10 years and think ill of me for cashing in my man-card, but I am not changing. In fact it seems society is because now leggings are becoming more unisex.

Anyway I present this idea to you. Now to be fair, there is a difference in leggings. I do not wear the more nylon kind, just the softer cotton one, but they fit well under my jeans and are very warm.

 
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Steve -

I bought my wife both merino wool and silk longies.  She wears the silk more than the wool.  If really cold, then wool over silk.

My point is that you may be able to find "leggings" that fit better and are more insulative than whatever synthetic materials are commonly found in "leggings".

However, if swiping your wife's leggings is working for you, who am I to knock it?  If your wife is anything like mine, she swipes your clothes, too, so turnabout is fair play!

On my list of projects is to make a pair of long-handled string underwear - fishnets, more or less.  Short johns (just below knee length) for the bottoms, so that I don't get alligator skin in ski boots or high pack boots (tall socks keep calves warm).  These were standard at one time with polar explorer types, and are still standard among Scandinavian military troops.  The US Army now has a multilayer shirt with a fishnet inner, and a knitted wool outer, in a single garment.  What was old is new again.  Projects, projects...

Kevin
 
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