Russ Rob

Long time back I made failed sketches regarding diodes protection of the 400watt inverter that was used on cars conversions in Georgia back at that time. It BUGGED me that the system still was working after 3000 miles on chevy car. My recent clipboard drawing with erasable ink pen finally showed promise. I knew that somewhat similar set up had to be on the Briggs engine. Here goes, — The starter position of car switch provides 12v to ignition coils. The plug gets full 12kv high voltage. When key running on position , there is a ballast resistor that puts 6volts worth of high volts to ignition coil. Now it's 6kv firings. The Georgia schematic on the web forum Waterfuel1978 @ yahoo.com showed only 4 possible diodes  following the Inverter box. That's about 3200V protection. Two in the bridge rectifier1kv + 1KV and 2 in the circuit as 600v each. The bridge rectifier was not shown. Remember , the technicians in shop did all the work, Nathren father was non tech person. He only looked over the shoulders, and reported work done on the web forum. As resistors add up in series to input resistance, spark gap voltages in series also add up to beginning high volts. The Chevy distributor with spinning ROTOR provides the first of 2 spark gaps. Loss of 3KV. So now, there is about 3, 200volts protection against 3000volts ignition final voltage.

The second thing going on is that the spark plug AIR gap of high resistance is way reduced , due to the water solution. Less high volts is needed to fire plug. The project viability has gotten way higher.

The main energy power supply as DC is required to be minimum 100v or higher. Some guys used Inverter 220vAC . This is because the volts input to water solution is WAY REDUCED by 10 TIMES.  220 becomes 22. 110v becomes 11volts. DC low efficiency electrolysis requires minimum 3 volts. (You can't use 12v going to 1.2volts through water solution) Current gets reduced way down , due to tiny electrodes specific area of plug tips. (Not large plates in water)

Zero ohms resistance Champion / Autolite spark plugs pass the needed DC current as 2.8A average or 7 Peak Amps on scope. The circuit resistance by OHMS LAW requires volts divided by certain resistance to get the 2.8A.  The circuit diodes reduce the 110v down, then the 10 to 1 reduction , so as the Relay resistance in series was total 1.2ohms at about 10volts DC. Close enough as 8A, to make Hydrogen gas and electrified water vapor pressure.

The system had been enhanced by the radiant energy provided inside the relay by the high volts against the diode cathode inbetween the 2 inductors. The R.E. Follows the wires to spark plug. One set double coils relay per cylinder. That's why they were called the "Magic relays".

I refer you to the old documents you read long ago about the Engineer            
Who had US Patent on the added diode circuit to regular CDI ignition booster. The main discharge capacitor has LEFT OVER volts charge after firing Primary, so as the balance 50v 1ufd cap discharges balance through microwave blocking diode to high volts side. The loud SNAP at spark plug was aided by what he called the front side Capacitor.  You can also use his Back Side Capacitor as high volts PF capacitor across the spark plug. The PF gets quick first charged by ignition, then when ignition then fires plug, the added energy makes extra snap energy , as called PLASMA SPARK.

I believe that the Briggs engine could have used the other, Tesla added circuit as ignition voltage booster, but would have needed way more diodes protection, that greatly reduced down the final needed low volts, to get the required amps.
I did recent bench tests regarding back side capacitors , liked the 20-30KV Blue ceramic capacitor as 1000PF- .01uf, - good snap noise. This design added is dangerous , and can put you on the floor. This simple method to get Plasma Spark that THEN allows the main amps to go through spark plugs. A plastic tube with insulated wire is necessary to safely discharge that capacitor before putting in the fingers.

As per my previous messages, I found out there are 3 types of Inverter boxes - square wave, modified square wave, and Pure Sine Wave types. Georgia people used the wrong one and always had uneven engines running, but they did run. Electrical loads that include 1.75mh +1.75mh, Inductors must have pure sine wave energy.

To further isolate the main Inverter box from shorting, on the Briggs engine, the return line at bottom of plug goes directly back to the Inverter terminal. The  battery neg, is not connected to engine casting. You don't want 2 grounds together, inverter secondary DC neg and battery neg.  The starter motor has the battery neg only. . The starter is electrically insulated from engine using nylon plastic bolts and washers. Lots of guys long time back had burned out their expensive Inverters with shorts. (neg to neg) Of course you can use 2 separate batteries.

The Hefferlin manuscript was regarding steam to Hydrogen engine using high frequency. Back in those days , 1921-late 1940's, high frequency + high volts was only related to the famous high voltage Tesla coil. The extreme vibrations antagonized the molecules to separate very easily in heated chamber. The modern Patent reference I cited was to show that a particular frequency was relied on to make efficient hydrogen fuel gases from steam. Samuel Leach, 1970's  Patents 4148701, 4113589,4247379,4272345   - special composite coating in chamber inside emits frequency when heated, extracts Hydrogen from steam.  Newsweek April 19, 11976, Sam Leach's box pg78.    
Tesla coils can be made/adjusted for many frequencies output. The secondary tube is made first and accurately adjusted. The Primary is then tuned to to that one. Early models were spark gap and capacitor type. Nowdays they can be solid state firings of secondary. Back issue Electronics magazines have articles.

The S1R9A9M9 Georgia engines conversions had used only AUTOLITE brand spark plugs with solid COPPER ROD center. There are many part numbers, but most are with internal resistor of about 4000 ohms. The AUTOLITE 295 is ZERO ohms, non resistor type,  and not iridium type, as recently tested by me. This validates the Georgia electrical circuit as being able to pass the 7 Peak AMPS Current through spark plugs.


My Horvath Patent power Supply as beefed up CDI for powering the separate water cell is just about done. Fans being hooked up to keep China Inverter transistors / heatsink cooled. The end transformer TR2 with battery cable needs to be wound. 30 turns #12 and 3 turns #6. Photo to be sent later. I have been ordering parts for the aquarium box cell, as fittings gauges, special switches, etc. The ABOVE photo is not the proper Horvath power supply, and was discontinued.  New one to be sent later.

Time to change the wall calander! Happy Holidays!

Amazing Stories v20n06 (1946 09.Ziff Davis)(cape1736)

Invention was kept away from the Germans during WW2. Short tech data published in Sept 1946 Amazing stories magazine, Now on internet free read. Frequency setting was 1.3Mhtz Tesla Coil high frequency, to break up molecules of water to fuel gases in chamber. Modern US Patent was interior coated heat exchanger with steam entry. The coating emits 1.3Mhtz . Engine runs on water to hydrogen. Waste exhaust heat boils water. "Burn water For Fuel"
The Hefferlin Manuscript.

The Meyer Hydrogen system is the 2nd best invention since bench top Cold Nuclear Fusion Heat. HHO is really H+ H+ O-- as charged ions. The gases have more energy total. The Patented Meyer term is Thermo explosive Energy. There were 3 systems. proof of design, concentric tubes water cell, and multi use injectors with electrons extraction, lasers and pulsed high voltage,- at pulse modulation. There are more gases evolved during off time as the on time. See Stan Meyer company manuals as,- Birth of new technology and Water Fuel Cell dealership Manual. Many Patents. The resultant true Meyer cell has thick, tiny, tiny, FOAM rising upwards in cell. All the rest is H2 with water vapor/ and or electrified water vapor large bubbles. Voltrolysis as >1500volts DC in plain distilled water.Deionized water was better. Two inductors resonated with cell and power source. Input secondary pulse through inductor to water capacitor as lowered volts to PREALIGN polarity water molecules. Then high volts DURING OFF TIME with vibration separates with no current, voltage pressure. Diodes make hydrogen, AC makes heated/ water. Very low wattage input. Overunity as huge efficiency. Power for engines and factory blast furnaces.

Horvath Tech Data CDI Circuits Build Project

Patent 3980053 Hydrogen generator was studied by me in great depth, quite a while back in time. I had way earlier, typed out a 2 page corrections of minor errors and items involved , not necessary to add to car engine to run on hydrogen fuel . Fuel upon demand, no gaseous storage. Things were printed as too expensive or particular design manufacturing, to detour others from duplicating the system. I was already aware of these common inclusions in a $5000 Patent. This letter is to inform you of my recent solution to a section of Patent data PROBLEM that was missed by me earlier, as wrong on purpose AND DESIGNED IN,,, the Patent literature. I am presently building the Horvath power supply and water cell tank for duplication, as an average individual would do it without the up above parts/ designs not necessary, but including all of the important EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS as Horvath did. This project was on my mind for years, and quite similar to a beefed up Capacitor Discharge Ignition circuit, as used for powering an improved efficiency Electrolysis cell. He also took data from previous Patents of theirs and incorporated them in his design. It's really the amount of fuel generated, as important, not the efficiency of a power supply!

Here we go:-- A pulse energy into coil has a reverse flow back. The secondary side coil of a transformer follows the primary method the same, except for a ratio change of turns. There can be 60cycles or 20,000 cycles frequency or higher. In general, iron lamination sheets are used for lower frequency range, while Ferrite is on high frequency. As frequency increases, less turns are necessary on primary side. It makes it easier to wind on core. The Patent was correct in that on + off time is required for cell plates, as about/around 50% duty cycle, on the SECONDARY side transformer. This allows the stuck polarized ions to release and rise up in the solution. Horvath said to use iron laminations for TR2, as the secondary side receives what's called Positive Critical wave form as seen on Scope.( High frequency used on low frequency type core.) This was to get a DC pulse for making Hydrogen gas and WITHOUT A Rectifier which would cause loss of 40-70 Watts heat loss, reducing efficiency, the rectifier forward volts drop loss times the current 200amps. This inclusion in Patent was INTENTIONAL TO DETOUR others from duplicating the design as printed. NOT POSSIBLE to get sufficient Inductance in 100-300 microhenry range, at LOW turns, as necessary with the associated capacitor, on iron laminations!!! Ferrite must be used for way higher inductance on low number to turns to be able to get 10:1 ratio for 22A going to 200 A, with heavy battery cable low turns secondary side of transformer.
All you have to do is put fast recovery high frequency diodes/ rectifier on primary side to stop the reverse wave form, on both sides!

The secondary side sees the same thing!!! I have heatsink with flat pack diodes in parallel to increase current rating with balancing resistors .

My rectangle aquarium tank was made with 3/8" thick plates, expecting 6lbs pressure. Presently ordering #6 red cable and gauges. The separate plastic water safety container will have pop off rubber plug, microswitch shuts off oscillator capacitor ground connection, while the flashback arrestor is hand made with brass tube and brass wool, and SS screens. KOH is hard to find. Water solution is done by weight of water + chemical together, as 25% and 75% for total weight solution together.

Recent response came back back from GROKAI.COM assures I was right about how to get secondary side on + off DC properly for water cell with only diode on primary side of transformer TR2. Horvath Patent 3980053 is available to read on line.

Horvath Patents Allowed Engine To Run On Water Improved Electrolysis Efficiency


Horvath Math for designing circuit for hydrogen generator. requires PULSE PEAK input 900w  into primary for 22A 2uf capacitor discharges at 10khz. Use old style scientific calculator for the formulas. I just went through it.  Secondary of TR2 has output diode, so as there being an on + off time for release of stuck ions from plates. I have flat nickel coated plates with flutes, knurled, with N + S magnets on back side. 3/8" acrylic plastic box, 400mesh nylon screen. The capacitor is 2uf as induction stove range type polypropylene capacitor high frequency type. .P type Mosfet paralleled as used for high side switching direct to spark plug, or N channel for regular use as applied to water cell. POH is 25% solution by weight,  meaning gallon is from both together same time -not gallon input water. .22 pulse amps becomes 200 amps pulse to plates. fast recovery heavy amp rectifier, or Horvath just used 3/4" iron laminations block with no diode, to get the critical positive wave out. AS used on input high frequency . China sells open board 1000 watts inverter with option of 330v terminals (to get about 600watts necessary) Can wind your own 2 transformers TR1 + TR, and can build your own switching inverter. L primary = C / I squared divided by E squared.  I = E X square root C / L.   Magnet wire as gauge # circular mills = 750 X I X duty cycle from wires chart. 10khz, .09joules each, 22A peak pulses, 371uh primary, 900w, 2uf, #16 #18 gauge primary, 2gauge secondary, Ratio 10:1 turns, duty cycle secondary .5 , water cell receives 450 Watts. Peak amps or watts is not average watts over the period time, .etc.

Grok  AI

What is average power in watts drawn from input 12v battery required for 900 PEAK pulse watts CDI capacitor into transformer with secondary diode and 50% on time only? Does this assume 450 watts average power to load

To determine the average power drawn from a 12 V battery to supply a CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition) system delivering 900 W peak pulse power into a transformer’s primary, with a 50% duty cycle (50% on-time) and a diode on the secondary, and to confirm if this results in 450 W average power to the load, let’s analyze step-by-step.
Key Parameters:

   Peak pulse power: 900 W into the primary during the on-time.
   Duty cycle: 50% (0.5), meaning the power is delivered for half the cycle.
   Battery voltage: 12 V (DC).
   Secondary side: Has a diode, delivering power to the load.
   Question: What is the average power drawn from the battery, and does this setup imply 450 W average power to the load?

Step-by-Step Analysis:
1. Average Power to the Load:

   The primary side delivers 900 W peak power during the 50% on-time. For a pulse transformer, the instantaneous power delivered to the primary is transferred to the secondary (assuming an ideal transformer with no losses).
   The average power delivered to the load on the secondary side is:
   Pavg, load=Ppeak×D=900×0.5=450 W.
   Pavg, load​=Ppeak​×D=900×0.5=450W.
   This confirms that, in an ideal system, the average power delivered to the load is indeed 450 W. The presence of the diode ensures unidirectional current to the load during the on-time, consistent with the 50% duty cycle.

2. Average Power Drawn from the Battery:

   In an ideal system (100% efficiency), the average power drawn from the battery equals the average power delivered to the load, as energy is conserved. Thus:
   Pavg, input=Pavg, load=450 W.
   Pavg, input​=Pavg, load​=450W.
   The CDI system stores energy in a capacitor during the off-time and discharges it into the primary during the on-time to achieve the 900 W peak power. The battery supplies a steady average power to charge the capacitor over the full cycle.

3. Average Current from the 12 V Battery:

   The average power drawn from the battery is:
   Pavg, input=V×Iavg.
   Pavg, input​=V×Iavg​.
   Given V=12 VV=12V and Pavg, input=450 WPavg, input​=450W, the average current is:
   Iavg=Pavg, inputV=45012=37.5 A.
   Iavg​=VPavg, input​​=12450​=37.5A.
   Thus, the battery supplies an average current of 37.5 A to provide 450 W average power, which supports the 900 W peak power during the 50% on-time.

4. Real-World Considerations:

   Real CDI systems have losses due to:
       Transformer inefficiencies (core losses, winding resistance).
       Diode forward voltage drop (typically 0.7–1 V for a standard diode, reducing output power).
       Capacitor charging/discharging inefficiencies.
       Switching losses in the CDI circuit.
   Assuming a typical efficiency of 80% (a reasonable estimate for CDI systems), the input power required to deliver 450 W to the load is:
   Pavg, input=Pavg, loadη=4500.8=562.5 W.
   Pavg, input​=ηPavg, load​​=0.8450​=562.5W.
   The average current from the 12 V battery becomes:
   Iavg=562.512≈46.9 A.
   Iavg​=12562.5​≈46.9A.
   The average power drawn from the battery is thus approximately 562.5 W with 80% efficiency.

5. Answering the Questions:

   Average power drawn from the 12 V battery:
       Ideal case (100% efficiency): 450 W.
       Realistic case (80% efficiency): ~562.5 W.
   Does this assume 450 W average power to the load?:
       Yes, the setup with 900 W peak power and a 50% duty cycle inherently results in 450 W average power to the load in an ideal system, as calculated (900×0.5=450 W900×0.5=450W). This is consistent with the transformer transferring 900 W peak power during the on-time, averaging to 450 W over the full cycle.

Final Answer:

   The average power drawn from the 12 V battery is 450 W in an ideal system, or approximately 562.5 W with 80% efficiency (requiring ~46.9 A average current).
   Yes, this setup assumes 450 W average power delivered to the load, as the 900 W peak power with a 50% duty cycle naturally results in 450 W average power in an ideal transformer syste

Alexander Patent Increased Current Output Modified Alternator Dual Wires Slot


You can do the same thing with the Briggs 8hp or larger riding mower engine. The plastic ring alternator under flywheel has many poles, and can be wrapped with dual wires same time like the Alexander patent. Wind Over + under, over + under. The poles make AC current. The ring is stationary and the 12 magnets rotate around it. All the alternator needs is to be rotated by crankshaft. Also, the there are two sizes of MAGNETS. get the flywheel such as 16hp type that has the larger magnets ,- there is LESS space between magnets to differentiate between 2 types. See photos on Ebay used parts. The ring gear has to be matched. Aluminum non mag gear goes with plastic SMALL gear on starter. Steel ring gear on flywheel goes with steel SMALL gear on starter. Got it? You can also CHANGE the small type starter gear to match. Ratio of 2  magnet wires about 3:1 size diameter. See wires chart.  The standard Briggs dual alternators type plastic ring, uses one line to charge battery half wave DC. , + other line runs the mower headlights on AC. There are many types of standard Briggs alternators and interchangeable. ( I doubt the Briggs company knew about the Alexander Patent when designing their dual wires Alternator type. ) Their dual AC type has 1 black wire and one red wire with bulge, as the diode. It's NOT black ground! The dual alternators type has the opposite 2 wires grounded UNDER ring to chassis top.
Look behind starter motor to see TYPE of alternator , as per Briggs chart PRINTED OUT copy, as the wires hanging down, as to number, color, color and shape of end connector. That's how it's done.
Used circular ring is about $15 to modify, or get whole engine to take upper section apart after removing flywheel.

Added Data ,--  The Briggs dual type alternators windings on same circular ring , is (2)  one halves of circle, as wound. (Not wound all the way around) The design can be changed!!  Can measure existing wires on ring with Vernier Caliper for exactness. Count the turns when unwinding from poles and mark it down. Would be nice to see Briggs engine creating excess power with duplication of Alexander US Patent.

The high wattage CDI power supply, 2nd transformer Tr2 as inside the water cell, had no rectifier on secondary side output wanted. The waste heat was not desired by use of a rectifier as it was running on 200amps  current. Energy was then conserved, and Tr2 transformer had been changed to iron laminations instead of Ferrite material normally for high frequency. It's use allowed for what is expressed as a positive + pulse output as DC , due to the formation of a degenerated, type, of Critical Positive Wave , as seen on oscilloscope. Brilliant!. Taken all together, the electronic circuit was successful, and 2nd similar CDI Patent was issued as final output high voltage type, and 3rd Horvath Patent issued using Radiation Magnetron tube in water cell. That one was shown in the Ford Fairlane V8 engine, back in those days.

Just more tech data.-  US Patent 3980053 contains parts list I went over carefully. There are a few proofreading mistakes and a couple parts in parts list were wrong. The Author didn't want the unit duplicated, so as some electronic parts were changed. The main UJT oscillator should be R1 Pot 25Kohm , capacitor as .006uf, R2 as 100ohm. This will give proper frequencies for operation of electrolysis circuit at 10khtz. The SCR switch is old style , mostly discontinued, and would be replaced by MOSFET on heat sink. Fast repeating DC pulses to cell is way better than straight DC for gases evolution of Hydrogen.Time is there for stuck ions to release, making faster operation. Any one interested should study the online Patent. Final output of 30volts + 200 pulse amps is sufficient for making free fuel. The approx 40 amp battery draw at 12v is replaced by standard alternator. Beefed up 450 Watts , instead of low watts CDI for an ignition coil.The magnetic field pulses also increases efficiency. Potassium Hydroxide as electrolyte allows passage of heavy current to water cell. I may replicate this also, as side project, as used at LOWERED output level, to fire just single spark plug as no separate cell, in engine.

(By the way, Archie Blue, engineer from new Zealand with Patent, also ran 2   4cyl cars on water using his special vertical cell of staggerd, perforated discs and side electrodes. Small air pimp input from cell bottom, bubbled upward, allowed the neutral air to CLEAN SWEEP the stuck ions from the thin aluminum discs. Improved Hydrogen Gas Generator efficiency. Seek and ye shall find.)