Stina May

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Part-time wannabe food forester. Living on 0.2 acres (including the house), and trying to work out how to squeeze in a lifelong 3-acre dream. South West Scotland.
Professional level knowledge of botany, taxonomy, nomenclature, and long-since lapsed horticulturist. Now a botanical data desk dweller who gazes longingly out of my window as the grant funding depletes and the workload stacks up.
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Thanks Both.

I searched the Crofting Commission for what I believe is my parish and it came up with 0 results for crofts in the area. This fits with my own assumptions. I'm on the borders and everything is more industrial agricultural around here for the most part. The hamlet I live in is mostly retirees with one or two fields attached to each property (except ours 😔), and most have put them onto the farming network (can't rememebr what it's called) rather than using them themselves. So I think most of the fields here are probably just standard "agricultural".

Good points re access though - the field I'm eyeing up is fallow most of the year, but on those rare occasions it's true that access would need to be properly considered. I'd honestly be interested in the whole field if so much of it weren't overlooked by the neighbour's property, so maybe I have to consider that it would be an all or nothing proposition if it came to anything at all.

I'm not seeking Change of Use options at this stage as that's a whole different can of worms that I'm not sure I have sufficient resources to tackle. I'm just hoping to get a better understanding of what "agricultural" means in practice. I've seen it does include forestry, and possibly includes allotmenting, but everything I find is so vague, which surprises me. Factoring in some nominal sale of goods purely to tick a box in the right direction might not be a bad strategy - thanks Nancy - but I still want to know what the rest of the tick boxes are. I could talk to Planning, and might, I just feel like someone has surely written this down somewhere. I can't possibly be the first to put a toe into the grey area of this.

Both of you have said I should, but I'm loathe to talk to my neighbours about this until I'm clearer for the simple reason that, if they are keen to offload a burdensome field, I don't want to give them false hope that I would buy it if I can't use it as I would wish to. The other added issue is that they are VERY tidy people, and my tiny plot is VERY untidy at present due to losing two whole seasons to ongoing battles with plumbing inside the house. So I need to re-prove myself as a neighbour first I think 😬.

As for renting - my partner and I were nearly in our 40s before we got our first real home and have been repeatedly burned by lack of rental regs in the UK (left the country to escape it at one point), so minimising my dream in anticipation of losing it again is not for me at this stage. I'd rather just try to recalibrate and find a different dream if it comes to that.

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5 days ago
This question is specific to Scottish law, which often differs from the rest of the UK.

I have a dream that now that my partner and I have finally bought a home on a tiny rural plot, I might also be able to snaffle up an adjacant field from some obliging neighbour.
However, there's no point dreaming, let alone approaching neighbours if I would never be able to use that land in the way I wanted, and getting change of use permission for what is currently designated agricultural land is difficult.

Therefore, my question is this: How squarely would informal (non-commercial) smallholding activites fall into the current definition of agriculture in Scotland (i.e. no change of use required)?

I've tried researching this a few times, and always come up against 'The Town and Country Planning (Use Classes) (Scotland) Order 1997' (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/3061/contents).
This is, it seems, the applicable law, but I find very little mention of agri land at all, let alone a clear definition of what does and doesn't constitute agriculture.

When I look at the regs/advice I find re land use, they explicitly say you can't use agri land as domestic garden. That's a planning permission issue and people who have extended their patios into their fields have sometimes been told to put it all back. But what I CAN'T find is any clear definition re. what constitutes a "domestic garden" vs a "productive garden" (as I understand it, personal allotment gardening would be allowed). My dream garden might look like the former even if I were using it as the latter, so I worry. Reading around, various sources suggest what I wish to do WOULD mostly land within the definition of agri, but not with any great certainty, hence I'd love a clearer view if anyone has already negotiated this stuff.

If my dream is a non-starter, then I want to put it to bed sooner rather than later so that I can focus on how to organise things in the space I do have. Dreams of future possibility is significantly hampering current planning activities around my new home because I would do everything very differently depending on which way things go.

If useful, here's a rough outline of my situation and what I' hope to do if I could grab the field next door:
- What I have: I currently live on a 0.2 acre plot on the edge of a hamlet. It's basically a cottage and garden and driveway. I'm already turning what was the lawn into a food forest, with mixed "ornamental", pollinator and forage plants. I have the beginnings of some small annual veg plots elsewhere.
- The land I want: If my neighbours were willing to sell me half their field, it would more than triple the size of my property, so still small, but HUGE for me, and much more potential to do things.
- What I would probably do:
-- Access - Feasibility of owning half my neighbour's field would necessitate an access track from the road to their remaining section, through the section I want.
-- Trees - The field would be near 3 properties including us, so I'd never be able to go crazy as I'd risk blocking people's views, so I'd want to do something fairly constrained - a shelter belt of trees nearest our end so that I could build up a small patch of woodland density. Anything within the eyeline of other properties I was thinking might work as meadow with a few smaller orchard trees.;
-- Water - The patch I want goes down to a burn, which would be lovely. But I've seen a lot of scum (agri run off) on local burns too, so I would want a small pond that I could keep cleaner, with a view to maybe keeping ducks.;
-- Cover - I'm yearning for a small polytunnel or glasshouse. I'm thinking only an attractive glasshouse would NOT constitute an eyesore for my neighbours - haven't quite figured out how that bit might work or fit yet, but it does feel needed.;
-- Growing - I would want to cultivate annual veg and extend my food forest, but only on a subsistence scale. There would be NO active plan to sell market garden style or anything like that, though we might share or sell gluts if we ended up with any. I would also interplant pollinator species and some plants that might be construed as conventional "ornamental" (though it's highly unlikely that would be my primary reason for growing them). Basically, what I'd do might look a lot like a domestic garden, even if to me it felt like the closest I'll ever get to owning a farm.

NB. My neighbours have no idea of my designs on their field yet. But they're friendly, getting that bit older, and spend half their lives in Malaga, so they currently rent their field to a local farmer for haylage and I suspect find the amount of hedgecutting they have to do more of a burden than a joy. So I want to know if I'd ever be able to utilise a field first, and then find a way to raise the prospect with them. If they're not interested, there might be one or two other neighbours with sl. less ideal fields that I could also ask.
5 days ago
Halloumi is our favourite al fresco dining cheese. On the rare occasion it's warm enough, we slice it longways into slabs a little under 1cm thick and char those on the grill of our chiminea, then eat with fresh salads and as part of a mezze. You can get some blocks that are lightly marinated with chilli flakes and those are particularly good done this way.

As others have said, fried indoors is amazing too - it can be a really nice substitute for meat. I used to love a halloumi "fish supper" I used to get at a pub I once lived near. They beer battered large slabs and deep fried them same as they would fish. Served it with chips and minted mushy peas. As a veggie option is was truly amazing, if a little over-rich.
6 days ago

M Ljin wrote:I find that a huge part of eating perennial vegetables is being picky enough to only eat the smaller, younger, shinier leaves that are sufficiently tender.


And how does it work for you after that?
Do you find that if you keep picking frequently enough, most things continue to produce tender edible leaves, or do you find you hit a hard stop on perennial vegetables somewhere between mid-spring and summer?

If it's the latter, then what do you eat instead? Do you switch to annual vegetables?

I kept up with the ground elder better than ever before this year, thanks to it being a much more major "resource" in my new place than anywhere else I've lived, but then I had one full-on week at work, missed cutting them, and the next time I looked they were all dark green, spotty and adulty, so that was the end of that.
1 week ago

Judith Browning wrote:I think I'm correct in saying it's Japanese Indigo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persicaria_tinctoria
also called dyers knotweed, chinese indigo.
[...]
I grew indigo tinctoria years ago and the deer ate the plants so never had a chance to try using it.
It would be great if you can share your natural dye experiences here!


Thank you, I did some googling and wondered if it might be that. It looks so leafy and easy compared with true Indigo! Makes me wonder if I could grow that species where I am. I once managed several bushes of Indigofera at a place I worked in Wales, and they were never very happy there. No deer, but too wet I imagine, so they were very sparse on foliage and rarely tried to flower. I never did manage to use any. At least Persicaria usually has no problem with rain!

My dyeing experience has been mostly with Woad (Isatis tinctoria), particularly Woad Balls, which is an old method of preserving the leaves in a way that helps ferment them at point of use to release more of the pigment. It's very many years since I did it, and never on any kind of scale, but I did love the process. I also particularly love the Woad shade of blue, which is slightly different to that of true indigo. It varies, but it often has a touch of ultramarine in it. Really beautiful.

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1 week ago
I've got to ask, what is the scientific name of the plant here? I don't see it mentioned in the thread.

Every concept I have of Indigo involves members of the Legume family (or Brassicas for "woad"), with true "Indigo" as I understand it being Indigofera tinctoria L., i.e.:



...which your plant clearly is not.

So now I'm very curious. What is it?

(the vats look amazing btw)
1 week ago

Burra Maluca wrote:I wonder if a book like The Permaculture Kitchen would help?


Thanks SO much Burra - I have found and ordered this book. I'm not sure how I haven't come across it before when I've searched so many times, but I very much look forward to it arriving. I read your review, and the earlier sections sound far too basic even for me (I can cook very well with a recipe, just lack organisation/imagination to "invent") , but you describe EXACTLY the approach I've been looking for. Something that builds up a repertoire to be able to dabble with what's available. I'm feeling hopeful.

Nancy Reading wrote:Are you my twin?! I also find that once established, the perennial veg are great for just carrying on growing - if I miss the harvest this year, I can try again next year.


Oh gosh! Is it a Scotland thing d'you think? The season's so short we see it coming, blink out of excitement, and miss it?
I spend half my life trying to find ways to extend the edible season of plants I already like. But, like you, I also LOVE seeing my carefully grown annual veg flowering so beautifully. The Celtuce and Artichokes put on stunning shows for the bees this year.

Nancy Reading wrote:Sounds very like the original pesto and indeed would work well (although maybe with oil rather than water?).
[...]
Another thing that might be worth a try is quiche.


Haha, yeah, probably oil would be better there. I made a moderately pleasant "pistachio and shrubbery" pesto this spring. Was quite edible for the most part, but still not a perfect vehicle for consuming Hawthorn leaves. Research is ongoing. As for quiche - it's true. I have friends who bake anything into a delicious quiche and I'm envious. For me, I have one recipe-based one that I adore and make well, but then if I go rogue with the garden stuff it all falls apart one way or another. Must try harder.

Anne Miller wrote:I love the idea of perennial vegetables though I have never eaten them. I am scared that I will not like the taste of them and for sure dear hubby would never consider tasting them.  
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Of interest:
https://permies.com/t/86750/learn-cook
https://permies.com/wiki/2711/Nourishing-Traditions-Sally-Fallon


Don't fear a vegetable just because it's perennial! Asparagus is perennial and still well known and loved. My revelation in the last couple of years has been Hostas. The young shoots of those can be steamed or sauteed in butter and eaten just like asparagus. They're not at all bitter and have a beatiful taste (at least mine do) somewhere between asparagus and artichoke, but with a hint of banana occasionally. If you need super palatable stuff, then I think that would be a good place to start. The season's short though - I keep missing most of it despite waiting for it excitedly.

Thank you for linking those threads. I've checked the first so far and it does look interesting. Will read through both.
1 week ago
Another potentially outlandish suggestion: maybe try offering the cats something even better than your roof?

Because your problem brings to mind that old permaculture adage: "not a cat problem, but a litter tray deficiency"

I.e., if you suspect they don't like the heap of sand cos it's wet, and so they're resorting to a bare roof belonging to an angry human and a dog (which doesn't sound ideal for them either), could you maybe build an accessible sheltered area somewhere, with a dedicated sandpit in it that they can use instead? It doesn't let you off the hook work-wise (you'd need to buy a pretty sturdy litter scoop too), but the cats get to do their ablutions somewhere warm and dry, your roof might be left alone, and you get to manage the situation on your terms in a more accessible location. Maybe crazy. Might not work. Just a thought.

You could perhaps start by testing the theory with a cheap covered litter tray, and if they're not adverse to that, extend to something bigger for more cats. If they still prefer the roof, you'll have learned it's probably not about that wet sand.

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1 week ago
Thanks all. Discussed with partner last night and have reassured ourselves that it should be a fight for any insurer to claim a fire was worsened by raw sheep fleece given all the other rubbish most attics generally contain, so I plan to ask around locally and see if I can find a farmer with some to offload.

In terms of holding it in place, I'll be using some sort of metal mesh to protect both the wool and the pipes from mice. Due to cost issues (this was not a major CH overhaul we ever planned or budgeted for) we were forced to use plastic pipes, so we have an added vulnerability to teeth to consider.

Nancy Reading wrote:You can buy wool pipe lagging made for the purpose : https://chimneysheep.co.uk/products/wool-pipe-lagging for example. It doesn't seem that expensive to me (£9 to cover about 3m of pipe), so you might just want to splash out if you don't find an easy source of wool locally.


This is easily one of the best ones I've looked at and would be my preference. But when you consider the overlap needed and that we have probably over 30m of double pipes to wrap, £9/roll will add up, especially on top of the mesh we'll need to buy, and all the pipes, joints, valves etc. we already bought (i.e. the unbudgeted splashing out has been ongoing for months). Neither of us has a secure long-term income, so we have to be careful. Potentially free sheep fleece sounds AMAZING by comparison - I was just so worried it might be considered unapproved for insurance purposes.

William Bronson wrote: There are aluminum products made to protect that insulation from mechanical damage.
Diy, you could just use aluminum flashing. Another kind of protection, wrap it in stucco.


Some sort of foil is definitely worth a thought - thanks. Especially in the trickier sections as it might be a bit mouldable. I'll look into that. By stucco do you mean literal walling? Like encase the pipes in plaster? Not sure our ceilings would withstand that if so (nor my impatience to get the job done quickly). Foil sounds like something to explore though, and then I was also looking at knitted meshes like this: https://themeshcompany.com/copper-rodent-mesh-a-tried-and-tested-solution-to-keep-rats-mice-away/, but cheaper non-copper ones hopefully. I think that stuff could work quite well to contain unshaped fleece.

Luckily I still have a decent pair of carders from my spinning and natural dyeing days, so we have the basics for a little wool processing production line. Just wondering how much a fleece might actually need washing. On the one hand, lanolin = a bit more durable and insulating, so it might be counter-productive to wash too much out. On the other, the attic would absolutely reek on a rainy day, but maybe not in a bad way? I DO like living close to animals, my partner less so I think.  Also, would a cosy sheepy smell attract or deter mice? Oh and moths! - maybe that was what the borax suggestion was for (thanks Phil Stevens) - I didn't make the connection till now (should, cos already have moths in everything), but YES, definitely worth considering.  ....SO many more questions now.
1 week ago
You're absolutely right that I'm making the job harder for myself with the diversity of plants I grow, but I view this a little differently: If I grew only 3 veg types, the task would be comparatively easy (and maybe a bit boring?), but we know that we currently utilise less than 6% of edible vascular plant species as actual foods, yet global food security is low. Consequently a key interest of mine is in discovering all those hidden and underutilised species. Some may legitimately be regarded as famine foods and not really be worth the time unless pushed, but many are amazing and just forgotten, like the Skirret mentioned earlier. Most, for me, are in fact herbaceous perennials as I have very little room for nearly the number of trees or shrubs that I would like, but the downside of that is an abundance of flat (and sometimes fibrous) leaves and very little "bulk".

I suppose what I'm saying is that I'm less seeking 50 different ways I can reliably eat potato on an evening, and more seeking 1  (or more) ways I can reliably prepare 50 different plants in varying combos and quantities.... or something like that.

Namely, a handful of tried and true recipes that can be used to make actual meals from a diversity of bits and bobs found in the garden. Soups, stews and stir fries are obvious choices, and then I really like the mash suggestion above too as it would work better for things that aren't so good as soup (leaves again).

After that I find I lack the traditional kitchen skills needed to deal imaginatively with unpredictable harvests. I feel like purees and pates should be an option, but I'm not sure of the dos and donts of that unless I have a singular and highly prescriptive recipe for a specific plant.

I'd love a recipe that went more like "grab two mixed bunches of mild flavoured leaves, a fistful of aromatic ones, and an apple. Stick them in a blender with x ml water and y cloves garlic. Blend. Hey Presto: gourmet mixed leaf puree that goes with anything". That kind of recipe? Is it a thing? I feel like this is almost how many people cook naturally, but not me 😔.
1 week ago