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Paul sits back down with Alan Booker to try to talk about Bill Mollison’s Permaculture: A Designer’s Manual, but wind up getting completely distracted and talking cultivating a new generation of permaculture leaders.

This conversation first came up just after they finished recording the prior podcast and they decided to cut it short so they could talk about it now instead.  In preparation, Alan drew up a chart to help visualize some of the points he makes, such as a small percentage being able to see a massively complex idea clearly enough to strive and invest into it and get called visionaries when it’s finally put together, referred to as “the s-curve of adoption” in his PDC.  Following in the visionary’s footsteps come the innovators that take the original vision and both refine and advance it.  Once enough progress has been made, the third stage occurs in which the idea starts to get some form of mainstream awareness and even adoption, eventually leaving only the people in stage 4 holding out and onto the old ways in case they’re needed again.  This scale becomes the x-axis on Alan’s chart with industriousness (rated between highly industrious at the top and unproductive at the bottom) composing the y-axis.

Naturally, the people that will lead permaculture in the future will be both highly industrious and visionaries, and consequently a small percentage of a small percentage.  This isn’t to say that only such people can be very helpful for visionary work, anyone that is at least a reliable worker with some innovation in them can be essential for the overall picture and whilst industrious mainstream and holdouts have a part to play as well, it’s not going to be a major factor for the visionaries.

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In regards, to this podcast 606,

I found this podcast interesting to listen to and I have taken time to think about what was said,
I have been learning about leadership styles from an early age.

from the 5 leadership styles.
Authoritarian Leadership
Participative Leadership
Delegative Leadership
Transactional Leadership
Transformational Leadership

To the many qualities of leadership.

I found this podcast, to not be so much about leadership, but more about personalities within permaculture.
stating some of the founders and ranking them in mostly very positive ways, to then stating some of the great qualities of people in the communities and listing them as how they contribute and saying how certain aspects of them are valuable.

It was also mentioned about what kind of people should be brought into the communities, and I agree with your reasons but also believe that permaculture courses have a future in rehab centres.  
I also believe that many people in permaculture are passionate about people and the environment and there is cross over at times, but to be successful requires primary focus outside of the cross over.

But this is not the focus,

I would like to mention about how Bill molison made a great leader in Geoff lawton, Geoff who has taught over 25000 people. each able to make a real difference. Geoff uses alot of his students to make significant amounts of change, is this not a really great leader,

But sepp holzer a lot of innovation, books and great mastery. sepps work is less impactful that Geoff lawtons, because education and building up others is more valuable.

The next great leaders in permaculture need to innovate and lead to the future but also aim to develop and inspire others to make more leaders,

I read threads on this permies from a man in Zimbabwe, I see read on the thread the development and life lessons of a someone who has the potential to be a great leader and is putting in the handwork to become a great leader! I am bless to read his posts!

I really desire to listen to the next part.


mate, If this comes across as in any way critical of the podcast please know its not mean to be, I liked it!

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