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"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
Dave Bennett wrote:http://www.fastcoexist.com/1679201/fungi-discovered-in-the-amazon-will-eat-your-plastic
Alan Stuart wrote:
Dave Bennett wrote:http://www.fastcoexist.com/1679201/fungi-discovered-in-the-amazon-will-eat-your-plastic
If anyone knows how to get spore cultures of this fungi, we all need to work together to breed and distribute it free of charge to the permaculture community so that we can decompose plastic waste in the world.
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
Alan Stuart wrote:Paul Stamets needs to get a spore print and propagate it. That would be a good idea in my opinion.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
I have experience with altering yeasts to produce strains that are incredibly alcohol tolerant. Since yeasts are the most basic form of fungi and can be coaxed to change I would imagine that developing mycelium fungi to change their properties is possible but adding the caveat that people like Paul Stamets have been researching fungi for 40 years and would more than likely be the best source for that information. My yeast propagation is fairly easy because I am specifically preserving varieties that have specific properties with increased alcohol tolerance. That is not as complicated as developing more specific properties. I started out with a variety with specific qualities and then increased the ethanol tolerance. Mycelium present more challenges than yeasts.Chris Kott wrote:I would be interested in knowing how fungi propagate, and if it is possible to cross strains in a manner which would allow for the selection of desired traits in the manner we are familiar with animal or plant husbandry. I'd also love to know if there are any salt-resistant edible fungi varieties, and if these could be bred to compost plastics. There is a lot of plastic floating around in the Pacific, and if you could gather it all up as a floating mat and innoculate it, if it did nothing more than clean up the plastic and provide a non-plastic substitute for those animals that would have ingested it, it would have a great beneficial impact on every environment it affects. I'm not done sifting through the material I have available to me on the subject, but I would greatly appreciate any shortcuts anyone can provide.
-CK
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
I am a Mead maker, a Brewer but I mostly developed an extremely alcohol tolerant strain to maximize my yield when making ethanol fuel. It is really more of a "sorting technique" since I harvest at the end of a ferment. I believe that because my techniques are the same for Mead, Beer or Ethanol the environment starts out sterile. The yeast that isn't killed by 20% alcohol gets to have a feast and is also rewarded with a blast of oxygen too. My yeast colony started out as Wyeast 4347 Eau De Vie that is advertised as tolerant to 21% ABV but it really becomes extremely lethargic around 18% or it used to until I started harvesting what was still alive and reusing it. Over time the tolerance has improved. I do keep my Mead yeast separated from my Ethanol yeast. They started out as a single colony but have been separated since I finished building my reflux still because one colony only ever sees Honey and the other sees a variety of sugar sources.Chris Kott wrote:Dave,
Thanks for the info. To what purpose would you put such yeasts? To produce more potent wine/beer/cider, as in for human consumption, or to make ethanol as a fuel source more efficiently? This is an area of much interest to me, both, that is. If you have any culinary observations to pass on, please do.
-CK
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
K Nelfson wrote:Would fungi eating plastic introduce chemicals into the food chain? I'm thinking that the fungi are near the base of the food chain and anything they pick up might be concentrated in other critters.
John Elliott wrote:In reading this thread, I see a lack of an appreciation about how ubiquitous fungi actually are. They are everywhere in the soil, and their spores are everywhere in the air. Tiny little sacks of DNA, a few microns in diameter, floating on the air currents and waiting to land on a suitable substrate to germinate and grow. Not every one will make it, which is why fungal fruiting bodies (commonly called mushrooms) make lots and lots and lots of spores. Some giant puffballs can release trillions of viable spores.
Also, fungi are generalists when it comes to decomposition. They are not very selective when it comes to what kind of dead organic matter they can eat. They may be selective when it comes to mycorrhizal associations, they may be selective when it comes to infecting live plants and animals, but for non-living matter, they don't have to be selective, there is a small list of general categories that they can decompose: lignin, cellulose and other carbohydrates, protein, and fat.
So this idea that Paul Stamets is the only source of a unique mushroom that has unique spores that can break down heretofore recalcitrant compounds, well that's just good PR for Paul Stamets. I can go to my favorite mushroom hunting grounds near my house and find mushrooms that could be cultured and sub-cultured to decompose plastics.
Why don't you hear more about this? Why isn't this being done? There are very few mycologists spread far too thin, and this is a big, untapped area of research. There is still plenty of work for mycologists identifying new species, studying their metabolism, developing diagnostics and anti-fungals, studying their growth and symbioses, that using them for bioremediation goes relatively unfunded.
To answer a couple more questions upthread:
Yes, there are salt tolerant fungi, you can find them in samples of muck from salt marshes. They are not very plentiful though, since those are usually anaerobic conditions (and fungi need O2).
Fungal sex (exchanging genes with another individual) takes place when the spore starts dividing. Fungi do everything backwards from animals: animals ingest food then digest it; fungi digest food, then ingest it; Animals are born, grow up, then have sex and reproduce; Fungi are born, have sex, go on an enormous growth phase, then when they have exhausted all their food, they reproduce. The first thing spores do when they put out their first hyphae is look for a mate and swap some DNA.
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Dave Bennett wrote:Here is the abstract from the study.
http://aem.asm.org/content/77/17/6076
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Redhawk said "you can recycle plastics with fungi but you have to already have the plastic broken down to micro sizes for this to work its best.
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