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My mother-in-law is suffering from fibromyalgia, and I'm trying to encourage her to switch to a whole foods diet. What foods would you suggest that could potentially cure or reverse some symptoms of this disease? What foods should she avoid (other than the obvious - processed foods)?

Does anyone have any stories they can share of people who have been able to heal or decrease fibromyalgia pain on a whole foods diet?

Thanks!

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Fibromyalgia is a digestion related autoimmune issue from toxins from undigested bits of food leaking out of a gut wall that has been compromised. I would recommend looking into the GAPS Diet (Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride MD) for healing of this condition.
 
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Thanks for the feedback! Here's hoping I can convince her to change her diet. Right now, the closest she believes in food healing the body is weightloss through a low calorie/diet soda diet. Bleh.
 
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I used the GAPS diet to heal from Fibromyalgia after battling with it for nearly two decades. I have been posting on Healing Rebel http://www.healingrebel.com about the past 5 years which I have spent experimenting with GAPS, supplements and herbs to find what brings and relieves FM symptoms. Sarah is absolutely right in stating that the disease is of gastrointestinal origin and is reversible.

There is an interesting thread on Inspire about the origins and treatment of Fibromyalgia. Here is the link to that: http://www.inspire.com/groups/fibromyalgia/discussion/the-fibro-puzzle/

 
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Just getting her to eliminate chemical foods from her diet will be a start.

I always suggest that first as an introduction to eating whole foods. Then if they can manage that the next step is getting rid of wheat and dairy. It is almost too difficult to try to tackle it all at one time.
 
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Sometimes Epstein Barr Syndrome is a component of fibromyalgia and fibromyalgia is also an acid condition of the body. Cat's claw kills viruses, but would have to be taken for about a month to work. Go by bottle recommendations. At the same time, change the diet so it is much more alkaline, with plenty of fruits and mostly vegetables, the non-starchy kind. I had symptoms of fibromyalgia years ago following pesticide poisoning and completely eliminated it by taking the Cat's claw and the alkaline diet.
 
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I like to watch a series on healing / aliviating diseases with food (it is run by our State television with real doctors specialized in nutrition, so something you can rely on).
There were a couple pieces on fibromyalgia.
What helped the patient in the documentation:
Start with fasting (tea, veggie juice broth) for six to ten days, aided with some epsom salts for cleaning the digestive system.
Then go over to a basically plant-based diet with eggs, fish, little meat, linseed and healthy oils (also algae oil, important is the Omega 6 to 3 ratio). Anti-inflammatory spices like cinnamon, curcuma, cumin. No dairy, no starch, no sugar. Drink lots of water.
Both ladies went from heavy pain back to working normally.
In addition one started tai-chi for relaxation and mobility, the other took up nordic walking. Both lost considerable weight.
 
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11 years late to this topic so probably the original request is obsolete...? but here's my story for the future, anyhow.

About 25 years ago my mother assessed her own health and determined she had "24 of the 48 symptoms of fibromyalgia"--achy joints, poor sleep, brain fog, grouchiness, and many more.

For the past 10-15 years she would say her fibromyalgia is in "complete remission" -- at least, when she avoids the right foods.  

The causes of fibromyalgia -- along with MS, "syndrome X," and "the stuff women get when over 40," and all the autoimmune crud in general -- the causes are multifactorial, as you might imagine.  So the solutions are of course also multifactorial: dramatic lifestyle changes in many areas.  There is not, nor ever will be, any silver bullet.  Diet is a big piece.  So is movement/exercise.  So is healthy spiritual status, to include forgiveness.  Swapping chemical cleaners and body products for plant-based ones.  Reducing EMFs.  Lots of things.

Unfortunately, as I've heard from health coaches, "the more change someone needs, the less he can handle."  So it has to be a gentle process of encouragement and guidance, and it will never succeed without buy-in from the "patient" -- who ultimately has to take final responsibility for his or her own health and do the hard work of getting better.  It will take years of discipline and some permanent habit changes.  But, the body rebuilds ALL of its cells every 7 years or so, so "reverse aging" really is possible to a degree.

But you can't go back to ease and comfort.  You CAN manage autoimmune stuff to a place where it has little to no impact on your life -- you can overcome it in real ways -- but it's like alcoholism: you can never go back to eating pizza and soda like an ignorant teenager and expect no consequences.  Processed foods have to be diligently avoided as much as possible.

I affirm what was said above about the GAPS diet: that is worth looking into.  Also elimination "test diets" to determine specific allergies (and there will be allergies in almost all of these cases, probably to several food groups).  The "Whole 30" month-long diet is a decent place to start: clear rules, defined time-span, obvious quick results which create encouragement and momentum.

Then, once problem foods have been (at least temporarily) eliminated, you can work on healing the gut.  This will involve:
1) pro-biotic supplements (high-quality stuff that won't die in the stomach acid);
2) pre-biotic fiber (soluble and insoluble), ideally from whole foods like fruit, veg, seeds, beans, nuts;
3) specific healing plants like aloe vera (cut the gel into cubes and put in smoothies) or prickly pear or any other cactus, and other mucilaginous "slimy" things like flax seed (ground fresh), marshmallow root tea, licorice root tea, sassafras, etc.;
4) live, unpasteurized fermented foods: sauerkraut is the simplest to do at home (but pickles are tastier!);
--and probably 5) some quality digestive enzyme and/or hydrochloric acid supplements: typically the stomach has too little acid, not too much (as Tums will incorrectly tell you).

The gut must be healed first.  Putting quality food (or supplements) into a ruined digestive tract will only waste money, result in discouragement, and potentially even cause new allergies (from undigested proteins sneaking through a "leaky gut" intestinal lining).

After this: gentle detox protocols (juicing, detox teas, infrared sauna, and of course lots of clean water); continued whole foods (perhaps slowly and cautiously re-introducing previously non-tolerated foods); increased exercise routines -- now possible since some weight has been lost and energy levels are improved; and appropriate mental/spiritual work: counseling, connectedness at a healthy church, etc.  Also just good fresh varied colorful local foods: join a CSA and learn how to cook rutabaga and whatever other weird stuff they send you.  Learn what grows locally -- spicebush, black walnut, paw paw, plantain, dandelion, wineberry, venison -- and find out what it's good for: if it's not grass, it's probably edible and medicinal.  (Also free.)  Walk; it's good for the lymph.  Walk in nature: seeing green "fractal geometry" is good for the mental health, and sunlight is good for the circadian rhythms and the vitamin D and the eyes and lots of things.  Play.  Have fun.  Laugh.

Finally -- I am not here to "sell stuff," but my mother would tell you that she would be dead today (instead of in excellent health in her early 70's) if it were not for some very high-quality nutritional supplements, sourced from better-than-organic whole foods (U.S. standards are inadequate but other nations have better standards which any good company should abide by), and crafted with good science -- distillation under nitrogen in O2-free conditions, etc. -- by real scientists, not goons in white coats chasing some miracle berry cure-all from the Amazon or whatever.  I refer anyone who is interested to www.NeoLife.com, or PM me.  There are a few other good companies and products out there, but many are not much better than snake oil, sadly, so choose with care.  But bottom line: a serious auto-immune case probably indicates a physiology that is compromised enough that dietary changes alone will not be sufficient: the body needs more nutrients than it can consume or digest (because, you know: also probably trying to lose weight, in most of these cases?) in time to heal.  And slow progress looks to sick people like "no progress" and then they give up.

Ok, so there's my story.    Healing is possible, but it's hard.  But hey: life is hard.  Being healthy is difficult and expensive.  Being sick is difficult and expensive.  But we do get to choose.

And in the end: we still all die.  So to counterbalance everything I said above: don't make "not dying" the goal of life; don't make health an idol.  Live in such a way that you can *die well* when your time comes.  And there are some pretty un-health-conscious folks who have figured this out, so be able to learn from them even if their diet stinks.    This gets back to "healthy spirituality"; but basically: if you live in fear of death, chasing health will not solve your problem; you need to look elsewhere.

'kay, done.
 
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Probably the most helpful thing I've found is going zero-carb, strict keto or carnivore.  High nutrition levels (nothing is more nutritious for humans than meat), very low inflammatory levels.  Also, I highly recommend a food sensitivity test.  Many people need to avoid eggs, in particular chicken eggs, and especially egg whites.  Dairy is another food that many people are very sensitive to.  (I've tried substituting duck eggs for chicken eggs -- works for some people, but apparently not for us).  There are other steps that can be taken, but those two are where I would begin.  
 
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Things I've done that have helped me the most are repairing my gut flora, with pre & probiotics, going extremely low specifically on simple carbs, eliminating all synthetic 'enrichments' (typically added to things like flour, which I only use when I'm taking a break from keto), getting 100% off municipal water sources, onto an artesian well, eating eggs from my own poultry, eating clean meats (that we've raised, hunted, or bartered/purchased from folks whose practices we know, growing/forahing as much as we can of our own fruits & veggies, buying/ bartering for the rest from local people who are doing the same.

I also treat my health issues with herbs, primarily using dried herbs I blend myself, and make into teas, tinctures, salves, etc. I make my own soaps (except for one I've fallen in love with, that a friend makes) and household cleaners. I get exercise and fresh air daily, because I have livestock, and when I buy milk (for drinking, cheese, yogurt, kefir, and ice cream) it's from another friend, who has clean, grassfed A2/A2 jersey cows. I've been buying local honey for eating, mead brewing, and soap making, and use milk from my own goats, for my soaps, but in a few weeks, I'll be harvesting my first batch of honey from my own bee hives.

I'm not perfect at any of this(with the exception of the water, which I take jugs of with me, for travel).  So, I can't say I've 'cured' myself. I also have more - and more serious - going on than 'just' fibro, which is nothing to sneeze at, and can be incredibly debilitating. At least one or two of the other things can be life threatening, even more debilitating than my fibro, and are a big part of why I'm not always the best at keeping up with all of this...
 
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Kathleen Sanderson wrote:Many people need to avoid eggs, in particular chicken eggs, and especially egg whites.  Dairy is another food that many people are very sensitive to.  (I've tried substituting duck eggs for chicken eggs -- works for some people, but apparently not for us).



Just a quick anecdotal reply to this: I knew a lady who could not eat eggs, UNTIL they got their own hens and fed them feed without soy.  Turned out it was not truly an egg allergy but a soy allergy coming via the eggs.  :-\

But that doesn't mean true egg-allergy is not possible.  Allergies can develop to pretty much any protein.  Just saying to "keep experimenting."  :)
 
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Ben Adams wrote:

Kathleen Sanderson wrote:Many people need to avoid eggs, in particular chicken eggs, and especially egg whites.  Dairy is another food that many people are very sensitive to.  (I've tried substituting duck eggs for chicken eggs -- works for some people, but apparently not for us).



Just a quick anecdotal reply to this: I knew a lady who could not eat eggs, UNTIL they got their own hens and fed them feed without soy.  Turned out it was not truly an egg allergy but a soy allergy coming via the eggs.  :-\

But that doesn't mean true egg-allergy is not possible.  Allergies can develop to pretty much any protein.  Just saying to "keep experimenting."  :)



Our problem isn't technically an allergy (histamine reaction), it's a food sensitivity, but you are right that the feed could be at least part of the problem.  I'm feeding the ducks the same feed that our chickens used to get, so it could be the problem with their eggs, too.  I may experiment with more expensive soy-free feed, once I sell part of the duck flock so I'm not feeding so many of them.  We'll probably still stick to just eating the yolks, though -- my daughter, who is autistic and has a number of auto-immune conditions, has been doing so much better since 1. going carnivore, and 2. getting off of chicken eggs and cow dairy, that I'm not inclined to do anything that might set her progress back even a little.

Editing to add that the feed may be at least part of the problem for people who are sensitive to milk, too.  I think the feed is at least partially why I have some trouble with both pork and chicken.  Ruminant meat is fine, I think because even animals that finish in feed lots have spent most of their lives on pasture.
 
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I’ve had fibro for 30 years now. I agree I do best when my approach is holistic and considers all parts of me. These things always help, even if they hurt to start:
- as many fruits and vegetables as possible
- no dairy or sugar
- little to no grain and if any, only whole organic
- walk outside. A lot. 15-20 miles/week goal.
- emotional work: affirmations, tapping, essential oils, massage, breathwork, releasing, etc.
- sulfur
- view symptoms as my body communicating what it needs. Listen to it.

It’s a journey. Some days are great. Some not so great. Always smile over the positive even while you acknowledge the less than ideal. Tomorrow will be a new day.
 
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It's easy to overlook the somatic elements of disease, particularly autoimmune. I was Dx'd with MS in 2000. I was a 'good' MS patient for about 9 years, depressing my immune system with injections. My health kept going down the crapper. I experienced a spike in symptoms and, thinking this might be the big downhill slide, I spoke with a counselor about developing better coping strategies.

She asked for a list of my symptoms and shared that every-single-one was also a symptom of Lyme disease. She referred me to a Naturopath who was Lyme savvy. I made big changes in my diet eliminating wheat, cow dairy, soy and corn and began to heal my gut and support my immune system. Fifteen years later, I haven't had a single flare-up and boy-howdy, the stressors which used to send me into a physical tailspin have been ever-present.

I'm feeling pretty spiffy when along comes some serious family drama involving wills, estates and the like. I do not even recognize the person my family member has become, nor what she's been willing to do. I've had a number of figurative gut-punches and there are some things I'm having difficulty swallowing, releasing, stomaching. So what happens? My gut starts backing up, significantly. Like 15lbs worth! I looked like I was smuggling a basketball!

None of my usual goto flow methods were working. I was practically doing a colonoscopy prep to no avail. My Dr even ordered a PET scan of my belly looking for tumor(s). What the Radiologist found was 'copious amounts of fecal matter' - how fun that must have been to write in a report! I knew I was fulla $hit!

What worked was looking into why I'd felt gut-punched, what was it that I couldn't 'digest' or stomach, what I had to let go of, and some energy work.

Our bodies, minds and emotions are absolutely connected. While I continue to eat a cleaner diet, make my own personal care and cleaning products, I am now even more wowed by that connection.

Oh, and my cat's new favorite place to lounge is across my belly. The purring vibratory rate is a marvelous healing frequency.

Any system resets in my future will absolutely require a dive into the somatics.
 
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Ben Adams wrote:Turned out it was not truly an egg allergy but a soy allergy coming via the eggs.



You may have just saved both a marriage and a life. 😂 Wife and I are two weeks from our first chicks, and she has a major soy allergy. I had no idea it could be transmitted that way, so now I know to feed soy-free.
 
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Elijah Ravenscroft wrote:

Ben Adams wrote:Turned out it was not truly an egg allergy but a soy allergy coming via the eggs.



You may have just saved both a marriage and a life. 😂 Wife and I are two weeks from our first chicks, and she has a major soy allergy. I had no idea it could be transmitted that way, so now I know to feed soy-free.



Plant proteins can also be transmitted through milk, just so you are aware.
 
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For Fbromyalgia, I went to a Natureopath
-He had me drink 4 oz. of... the juice of 1 lemon in a quart of water every 2 hours (between meals) until gone.
every day.   (also helped balance body pH)
-Eat Gluten-free, (or bread made with sprouted grains) Lots of organic fruit & veggies
Leafy green salad with Olive Oil, Asparagus, Brussel Sprouts, Kale, Cabbage, Onions, Garlic, Sesame Seeds, Sunflower Seeds, Pumpkin Seeds, Fresh Wild Salmon, Eggs (hard or soft boiled only), Sprouted nuts & seeds
-Juice- 1 peeled Cucumber, 4 Celery Stalks, 1/2 bunch of Parsley, 1/2 to 1 Lemon, A "thumb-sized" piece of Ginger.  Drink once a day
-Magnesium, NATURAL  Vit. E (the "dl-" is made in a lab & is NOT good)
-Relaxation techniques
    I've gone from being unable to function 3-4 days a week, to hardly any symptoms in 5 years.
 
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Another excellent option for the treatment of disease is Homeopathy.
This is not "home remedies" but a well-established and effective system of alternative medicine that started in the late 1700s in Germany.
No chemicals.
No side-effects.
Inexpensive.
In constant use around the world ever since by royalty, celebrities and commoners alike.
Recently, two doctors from India (whose clinic sees 1200 patients a DAY), the Drs. Banerji, published the protocols they use there to treat their patients, many of whom cannot afford good living conditions or healthy food.
The results are pretty phenomenal.

There is a protocol for Fibromyalgia.

Yes, we can get the medicines in North America.
No, they will not interfere with other patent medicines you are taking now.

*Did you know there were entire HOSPITALS in the US in the 19th and 20th centuries that used only homeopathic remedies to treat patients?
*Did you know you were much more likely to survive the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918 if you were treated homeopathically?

Here's the protocol for Fibro:  Rhus tox 30C + Bryonia 200C twice a day until very much better.

We are an independent lot, here,  and we like to find our own solutions, but before you jump in and start treating yourself, consider that medicines, even homeopathic ones,  need to be treated with respect.  I'm a Practical Homeopath (not a doctor) and happy to educate you about the subtleties, should you be interested.


 
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Diet is totally one aspect of it, for sure. A lot of good suggestions here.

But remember that Fibromyalgia is a catch-all for a bunch of issues that cannot be explained.

So I would suggest also looking into the emotional component too. I've seen some miraculous "Fibromyalgia" recoveries when people have addressed their past traumas. Some of those people were bedridden for years.

The book "The Mindbody Prescription: Healing the Body, Healing the Pain" by John Sarno is a good place to start.
 
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