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Damn, That's Hot: A Welder Head to Head

 
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I started welding as a new hobby just when covid was getting going in 2020. I didn't want to spend too much, so I ended up getting a SUNGOLDPOWER inverter welder. It was ~$200 on Amazon and could run on 120v and 240v. It had pretty solid reviews too, so I was convinced to give it a try.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07T244BYC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Fast forward to 2022 and here I am in a welding program on my way to get my CWB ticket for flat stick and flat MIG. I'm probably going to get myself a higher end TIG/stick welder too. How things change!

It just popped into my head a couple weeks ago that I had never run my little welder on 240v. So today I brought the wee gaffer to school and ran some tests. Instead of just trying it out, I decided to do a direct comparison to the welder I use at school: the Lincoln Idealarc 250 stick welder. It's a beast of a machine that runs with a transformer instead of an inverter. It's capable of running in AC and DC, and can go up to 300 amps.

Here are the competitors.

Weighing in at just 16lbs this $200 CAD welder is certainly the lighter of the bunch.



And coming in at 350lbs this beast of a welder is harder on your back (when moving) and your wallet at $5651 CAD.

And here is the testing station:



To test I cut two pieces of 1/4" flatbar at 6" in length. Then I ran a series of beads with both welders:

1/8" 6013 stringer @ 125A
5/32" 6013 stringer @ 140A
1/8" 7018 stringer @ 125A
5/32" 7024 stringer @ 200A
5/32" 6013 weave @ 160A
Here is the finished plate done by the cheapo welder.

And here is the Lincoln's work.


You may notice an extra bead on the bottom of the cheapo plate. That was a bonus 6013 5/32" bead I ran, because the first one I ran up top seemed cold. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just me.

The differences in power were apparent especially with the 6013 5/32" weave. The little welder kept the arc going, but the puddle did not get big enough to really fill the gap in completely. I found I was fighting it a little bit.  A weave is basically a weld where you get a nice big puddle going and 'stitch' or 'weave' a big gap. If you do it correctly, it looks like you ran a string bead with a giant welding rod. This was no problem with the Lincoln at 160 amps, but with the Cheapo you can see my weave pattern. The arc stayed lit just fine, but the puddle was much smaller and thus it was harder to really fill the gap up.

Take a look at the up close of the Cheapo weave. I drew in the pattern lines that (ideally) you should not see in a weave.


And compare that to the Lincoln:



In addition, starting the arc on my welder was more challenging than with the Idealarc. That aside, my welder did a comparable job to the Idealarc. The arc was smooth, and only once did I struggle with it going out. It was with the 7018 1/8" rod. I originally was running a Bonarc brand rod, but the arc barely stayed alive. So I ground my weld down and restarted with a Lincoln Excalibur instead - it went just fine. The Idealarc had no issues with any of the rods, unsurprisingly.

Here is the start of the Cheapo 7018 run that did not go well. A little grinding brought it back to fresh steel and I restarted with a Lincoln rod instead.


In addition to the weaves and stringers with 6013 and 7018, I ran a stringer with a 5/32" 7024 rod. Those rods are just wild. They have iron powder in the flux, so they are great at laying a lot of metal down very quickly. I ran it at 200 amps, mostly because that's nice and warm for those rods and it maxed out the Cheapo. Both machines ran the rod just fine, but there is a noticeable difference in size. The Lincoln definitely burned more of the rod.

Here's a 1/8" 6013 rod beside a 5/32" 7024 rod. Notice how much flux the 7024 has!


Now how about penetration? Great looking welds are nice and all, but at the end of the day, the point of welding is to fuse metal together. One way to find out how much penetration you got is to cut and etch. So what I did was cut both plates in half after I was finished welding. Then I used a flap disc on a grinder to polish the cut edge to a smooth, shiny finish. After that I coated the edges with Krud Cutter, which contains phosphoric acid. I don't understand the chemistry at all, but doing this makes your weld metal a different shade from your base metal, so you can clearly see how far you actually melted into the metal. There was a difference in penetration - the Lincoln went deeper into the metal. However the difference (at least to my eye) is not dramatic.

Here is the Cheapo penetration. Just a note - I think I drew the penetraion line for the weave a little deeper than it actually went. If anything the Cheapo had slightly less penetration than the Lincoln.  


And here is the Lincoln:


So what have we learned here? The Lincoln is definitely the better welder. It is more powerful and offers easier arc starting. However I am thoroughly impressed with the Cheapo. For just $200 CAD it performed extremely well. Another thing to note is that Cheapo will not run 6010 rods. There is something about the rod composition that just doesn't work. The Lincoln will run just about any rod that exists. If I were to do this again I would bring my 6011 rods from home to see how the two welders compare. 6011 is very deep penetrating. I just happened to forget them at home that day and we only have 6010 at school. In addition the Cheapo had issues running the Bonarc brand 7018 rod. Not sure why - but it seems these quirks seem to show up with the cheaper welders.

Just running this test convinced my two teachers that inverter welders are nothing to sneeze at. One wanted to try it on 120V, so I let him have at it. He was very impressed with what it could do. So for any of you folks thinking about getting into stick welding, do not let their dimiunitive size fool you: inverter welders pack a punch! Even at just $200 you can get some real solid welds.



 
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Thanks for the write up.  I keep looking at those tiny welders but "tiny".    Tom
 
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Thomas Michael wrote:Thanks for the write up.  I keep looking at those tiny welders but "tiny".    Tom



Definitely don't underestimate them. They pack a punch! They're great too for being so portable to bring wherever you need them. And thanks for the pie!!
 
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Well done, Cam.  And you've started a good thread.  I invite you to post pics & stories of projects you may complete, on these established threads:

Small Homemade Gadgets
https://permies.com/t/102321/Small-homemade-gadgets

Homemade Rigs, Equipment, Apparatus
https://permies.com/t/102420/Homemade-Rigs-Equipment-Apparatus

 
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Thanks for the heads up Joel, will do! This will push me to finish up a couple projects I've got nearly done, such as my kindling splitter an ice hut trailer hitch. I may do some welding as a bit of a side business too so I could document repairs or basic fabrication.
 
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Hey Cam, can we see some of those projects? (And there are those threads I mentioned where some pics & descriptions might go.)
 
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Joel Bercardin wrote:Hey Cam, can we see some of those projects? (And there are those threads I mentioned where some pics & descriptions might go.)



Hey Joel thank you for the kick in the butt. Honestly my focus has been on school and getting a job, but now that both of those are taken care of (may have a welding job tomorrow!!) I am doing some home projects. First up is a trellis made of stainless steel scrap material. Gonna draw it out and weld it up and everything. A post is to come from it as I am taking lots of photos!

 
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I have had one of these 'tiny' welders for a few years and just have never set up the work station for it.
    I taught at a community college for 11 years and my (garage) shop was just let go and over those years it turned int a catch all for all kinds of house/rental items, wood, gardening supplies, and prepping stuff.
    I'm slowly getting this monster shop organized and have the welder, a ShopSmith lathe, a band saw, a new 10" table saw (coming soon), a desktop CNC system and a 3D Printer.
    I plan on being very busy later this Fall and Winter to catch up on a row of boxed projects for which I have starting materials or at least drawings.
    You just gave me the boot that I need to get to the Shop again and do more cleanup!!!

 
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Jesse Glessner wrote:I have had one of these 'tiny' welders for a few years and just have never set up the work station for it.
    I taught at a community college for 11 years and my (garage) shop was just let go and over those years it turned int a catch all for all kinds of house/rental items, wood, gardening supplies, and prepping stuff.
    I'm slowly getting this monster shop organized and have the welder, a ShopSmith lathe, a band saw, a new 10" table saw (coming soon), a desktop CNC system and a 3D Printer.
    I plan on being very busy later this Fall and Winter to catch up on a row of boxed projects for which I have starting materials or at least drawings.
    You just gave me the boot that I need to get to the Shop again and do more cleanup!!!



Wow look at you go! We are sort of in sync...I am setting up a basic shop in my garage at the moment. I have a couple of angle grinders, some drills, lots of clamps, some squares, two welders, and a welding table is in the mail! Much more basic set up than you but I'm excited to get going!!
 
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I'm hoping it's not seen as a thread hijack to ask if other welding enthusiasts out there have had experience with some of the newer 120V pistol-grip stick welders.  Cam's comparison here included a link to an Amazon.com purchase of a 120V unit, which sets up similar to more 'legacy' welding machines, for which he gave a favorable review.  As you can see in the photo below, the machines I'm referring to look like a large drill with the welding stick affixed to the front of the body.  I've found some favorable reviews on Amazon.com and YouTube for units like this, but was wondering if any in the Permies.com community have had a chance to test drive them.  It would seem that, even at 120V, one would need a high amperage circuit to run such a welder...?  I'm interested in a possible purchase, but if too many give it thumbs down, I'd probably go with a unit similar to what Cam (OP) already reviewed.  Usage would be on small projects where steel is 1/8 inch or less. Thanks!

[ link to item shown in photo below:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C2K48VJ8/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0C2K48VJ8&pd_rd_w=75zs7&content-id=amzn1.sym.0d1092dc-81bb-493f-8769-d5c802257e94&pf_rd_p=0d1092dc-81bb-493f-8769-d5c802257e94&pf_rd_r=AC90DQBB3CXG4VPTVB0G&pd_rd_wg=wGX3x&pd_rd_r=f7892ec4-ca36-4046-868e-e6ced0220f3e&s=hi&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwy   ]
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John,

I have no hands-on experienced with the welder you linked.  However... I see numerous problems....

1. You cannot achieve "250 Amps" from "110Vac" household circuits. And even if it were even remotely possible (which it is not), it would require much larger diameter welding rods than their 1/8" maximum.

2. Some of the weld sample images they show appear to be robot created, (specifically the colorful stainless examples). Others are obviously amateur creations.

3. I could not imagine using that unwieldy beast trying to weld an exhaust system (or trailer hitch) while under a vehicle.

4. They claim 4.63 pounds weight - a quality welding stinger weights well below 16 oz. Do you fatigue easily?

5. The physical size of this monster is a seriously limiting factor.

And I question the genuineness many of the reviews

Edit:
I revisited the Amazon reviews of the above Faiuot Handheld Welding Machine on Amazon.  Look closely, only the first few reviews are for the Faiuot. However, many of the reviews on the same page, are obviously NOT for the same product (as the reviewer below points out).

"Austin Cho
3.0 out of 5 starsPlastic Welder not Arc Welder!
Reviewed in the United States on September 12, 2023
This was originally a listing for a plastic welder which worked exceptionally well. Unfortunately it looks like the seller was just farming positive reviews for an Arc Welder and switched the product.

The plastic welder works great. Sucks that the seller is doing this bait-and-switch though."








 
 
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