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Cj Verde wrote:Have you tried any living mulches around the trees like comfrey, hostas, or nasturtium?
I've found that water collects in the swales with horrible soils but not in rich, black soil.
Pics?
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William James wrote:Hi,
For what it's worth, Patrick Whitefield hates swales for cold wet climates and prefers ponds instead. I disagree (for now). I don't think it's one or the other.
http://patrickwhitefield.co.uk/one-permacultures-holy-cows-death-swale/
As for your problem (alfalfa on the swale berm), could you swap for clover? Clover grows happily. The other thing we're trying is planting annuals on the berm. It keeps the berm uncompacted and gives us a second reason for weeding. A moterized weed-eater is nice too. I took down 30 sq meters in about 10 minutes. I don't have a good sythe, so this is faster for me.
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Cj Verde wrote:Here's the pic of a swale from Patrick Whitefield post
... I don't see any trees and it doesn't really look like there's a berm to create a micro climate.
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leila hamaya wrote:this looks like a pretty good link:
http://thesagebutterfly.blogspot.com/2012/03/vole-in-garden-control-methods.html
"Environmental Benefits
Although voles can be pests, they do have a role in nature. Their habits and behaviors ensure that nutrients are spread and integrated into the upper layers of soil. Mycorrhizal fungi, a soil nutrient, is dispersed by the vole.
Voles are a food source for many predatory birds, snakes, foxes, and cats."
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Cj Verde wrote:Another choice since you have tree guards on is to borrow some sheep (not goats) for a few days. Or maybe geese.
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Levente Andras wrote:
Management of herbaceous vegetation around trees growing on a swale system
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Levente Andras wrote:Those trees & friends look really happy...
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Levente Andras wrote:
Cj Verde wrote:Have you tried any living mulches around the trees like comfrey, hostas, or nasturtium?
I've found that water collects in the swales with horrible soils but not in rich, black soil.
Pics?
Comfrey and dandelion grows freely all over, including on the swale berms. I have tried to establish self-seeding annuals like phacelia, with very limited success. Not hostas - apparently they are gourmet food for the voles ...
The soil in the swales varies from black, clay-rich soil to yellow, nearly pure clay. Percolation rate is very poor, I would have expected the swale to hold water for a while.
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O. Donnelly wrote:In my orchard, the only good vole is a:
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Ben Zumeta wrote:You could always release a few hundred thousand snakes...but seriously I am surprised nobody is bringing up predators as the solution. It may be too late for you now, or maybe not, but Sepp Holzer uses pigs to eat voles and plough before planting. I know owls are big vole predators here, and I imagine hawks would be too. I would bet Spanish cross or wild turkeys would eat them too, as they eat mice. And of course snakes and weasels and foxes would help too. The key for those would be to have rock piles and brushy thickets respectively. Predators are the only way to control herbivores in the long term sustainably. I also concur that you should look at burrowing animals like giant earthworms, and their tunnels are going to be filled with roots like a hydroponics tube. If you are looking for water infiltration, they are helping like a key line plow.
O. Donnelly wrote:Levente- I've had good luck with a ring of peastone mulch around my new trees. About 3-5 inches thick. Suppresses weeds and voles don't like to dig through it. In this picture I did no weeding the entire summer. Only a few small plants emerged. Notice the difference beyond the mulch...
Levente Andras wrote:Update on swales:
[...]
Yesterday the swales filled to the brim, and as the soil also began to thaw, I discovered another of those things that are never mentioned in the swales "owner's manual"...
... I described, in this thread and elsewhere, how voles love to dig into earth mounds such as the swale berms... Yesterday, for the first time in their 4 years of existence, two of my (otherwise sturdy and reliable) swales were leaking through vole tunnels, with water gushing from 2-3 openings and causing erosion and destruction - in one spot, the jet of water flooded and partially washed away two raised beds in a vegetable garden a few metres downhill from the swale berm.
No need for me to dwell on the obvious hazard that a "punctured" swale can represent - basically, it can behave like a breached dam, with a relatively small hole turning into a huge gap as water gushes through it.
[...]
The permaculture literature available on the subject teaches us (a) to plant and seed the berm as soon as possible so as to stabilise it through vegetation and prevent damage from extreme weather events, and (b) to protect it from trampling by animals (herbivores mainly). But I have found no mention of the dangers posed by tiny animals that burrow...
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Levente Andras wrote:
However: normally, predators don't exterminate the entire population of their prey. They may prevent rodent populations from exploding, but won't make them disappear completely.
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